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Cages / Re: Custom Built Chinchilla Cages
« on: December 24, 2014, 03:12:17 PM »
Thank you for sharing your cage-building tips! I love your ideas and I really enjoyed reading your blog.  I can see how much you love your chins:-)  My husband and I have only been chin owners for a couple of years, and there is so much for us to learn! I look forward to trying out some of your ideas and continuing to read more of your stories.

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Guestbook / Re: Newbie saying hi
« on: December 18, 2014, 11:25:20 PM »
Kaz, I do recommend weighing her once she settles in. Since chinchillas are good at hiding health issues until they get pretty bad, weighing them is one way to ensure they are eating ok. Also, paying close attention to their poops! It's sounds funny, but their weight and poop tell you a lot! :-) You don't want squishy poops or small round ones. Healthy poops are solid dark brown, and they look like rice without pointy tips. (I hope I described that ok).

If your chin starts to get sick or too stressed, her weight may decrease due to not eating. For my chins, I had to weigh them regularly to ensure they were growing as they should (since they were young when we bought them). Now, I weigh them every now and then to make sure they're not gaining or losing too much.

Sounds like you're off to a good start. I'm still learning lots about our chins too:-)

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General Chat / Re: My chichilla made a very weird noise
« on: December 15, 2014, 11:47:44 PM »
Hi there!  I liked the video GrayRodent posted:-) I wanted to mention that I've heard two different types of "duck" sounds from our chinchillas. The one that GrayRodent posted is heard less commonly from our chins, but we hear it when our younger one is asleep and having a dream, and sometimes, when he's lonely.  For example, on his first night with us, he squeezed out of his cage when we were sleeping (he was small) and he woke us up with this sound (we found him under our bed). It was as if he was looking for his "real" family.  Now, he only does this on occasion (mostly when he's dreaming with his eyes closed).  Our slightly older chin has never made this sound.

The other type of "duck" sound is like a softer duck quacking (imagine a happy duck, playing in a pond or eating).  Both of our chins make this sound when they're happy and saying hello to each other, or to us. I know this because we can talk back to them and they respond--it's really cute. (This sound is different than what others describe as a cooing sound.)

Lastly, there's a totally different barking sound that chins make, and you'll definitely recognize it as a distress signal. We've only heard it twice and it sounded like a prairie dog sounding the alarm to his herd (or whatever prairie dog families are called). Our chin made this sound both times when he heard a loud sound outside (i.e. a large delivery truck driving up our driveway). 

When we bought our first chin, I remember researching and finding the different chin sounds on another website, but I can't remember where. I'm sure you'll find it if you keep searching. Have fun getting to know your chin.

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Chit Chat / Re: chinchillia play time
« on: December 14, 2014, 06:17:49 PM »
If you lock them out of the their cage when they come out voluntarily, it may cause them not to trust you and be more wary about coming out.  Remember, they're prey animals and safety from predators is instinctual.

My younger chin is timid like yours, and I'm extra careful in building trust with him.  Both of my chins let me know when they want to come out. If you spend a lot of time with them in the room and observe them, you'll learn to read their body language.  For example, if you open the cage door and he hops out on your hand, he wants out. If he just stays put, or runs away, he doesn't feel like it. I usually carry them from the cage to the play area, so walking out of the cage is seldom an option for them. I only allow it if I'm able to secure a small area immediately around the cage.  This way, the chin walks out of the cage onto my lap, then hops back in. He does this several times (it's sort of bonding thing for us as I add hay and pellets to his cage everyday). Some days, he doesn't feel like it and I just reach in and pet him. He coos a little to let me know he appreciates it, and I leave him alone.

During play time, my chins let me know when they're done playing. If I'm in the play area with them, they will eventually just stop exploring and start falling asleep. Sometimes, my chin will jump up on my shoulder and just wait for me to get up and walk over to his cage. If I'm not in the play area, I will bend down over the gate with my hands open and ask if they want to get out. If so, they will jump on my hand and let me pick them up. If they're not ready, they'll come to my hand, sniff it and run off and play some more. Occasionally, I have to entice them out with the dust bath. 

Anyway, I can share other bonding techniques I've tried with my 3-yr old chin that worked wonders, if you're interested. The great news is that with patience, you'll develop an understanding with them. I'm still learning, of course, and there's lots of room for improvement for me, my husband, and our chins:-)  Sometimes, we have setbacks and have to backtrack, but this is expected when you train any animal, especially humans ::)

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Guestbook / Honored to join; Have a few minutes to get to know us? :-)
« on: December 14, 2014, 04:55:47 PM »
Hi! I'm Veronica and my 2 chins are Chillem (he's a grey about 3 yrs old), and Echo (he's a beige with ruby eyes and a little less than 2 yrs old).  My husband and I love our chins very much and look forward to spending the rest of their lives with them.

Their personalities are so different. We had Chillem a whole year before we bought Echo. During that 1st year, we lived in a rental home and used one of the bedrooms as the play area. Chillem received lots of attention. My husband would play with him an hour in the morning, and I would play with him an hour at night. We did this everyday during the week. On the weekend, the three of us would play between half an hour to 2 hours. The rest of the time, Chillem's cage was with us in the living room or bedroom.  We bought Chillem a little stuffed toy for his cage and it would come out him him during play time. We always kept an eye on him, but he never tore it apart, just cuddled with it (it was so cute!). Sometimes, he would toss it around the cage and try to jump up to the 2nd and 3rd levels with it. It was fun to watch because he could get it to the 2nd level, but never the 3rd without our help.  He would fall asleep on top of it and we started wondering whether he needed a roommate.

We bought Echo sort of spontaneously. We saw him at the same pet store we bought Chillem from. They had just gotten him in and he was so small and scared. He had pee on his fur (from peeing on the wheel in his cage and running on it) and soft poops stuck to it as well. When we held him, he struggled frantically. This sounds bad as I write it, but we felt sorry for him and we wanted to "rescue" him from the pet store and any other person who would buy him for "their child". We knew he needed a loving home of adults, and that we could provide him a safe home.  Later, we realized that buying them both from the pet store would only reinforce them selling chinchillas, so we will never do that again. Fortunately, the pet store stopped selling them (probably because they were expensive and not affordable to the average buyer.)

We kept Echo in quarantine for a month and let him have peace and quiet. Within the first two days, we had to proof the cage he was in because he was so small he could squeeze right through the cage bars.  (On his first night, we woke up to him calling out from under our bed. On the second night, we placed a pet playpen around his cage and woke up to him calling out from the playpen, outside of his cage again.)  When his poops were normal and a month had passed, we moved Echo's and Chillem cages to the same room.

After we got Echo, the landlord of our rental house told us that the chins could only play on the tile of the dining area, and not on any carpeted surface. The old house had asbestos under the tiles and we worried about the chins safety, so we placed a large rug in the dining area and surrounded it with a play pen. I think this messed up the bonding that we would have had with Echo. You see, with Chillem, we had a room where he could bounce off the walls and we could sit with him comfortably while he played. With Echo, he only had the play pen to bounce off of (not as fun, and not as high), and it wasn't as fun/comfortable for us to sit in it either. The area was more distracting being right next to the living room, and Echo seemed easily startled by all noises.  He wasn't bonding with us as quickly as Chillem did, and our play times became less and less. Echo and Chillem didn't seem to be bonding from their cages side by side either, and we started questioning whether it was a good idea to get a second chinchilla.  We kept their play times separate and Chillem started getting "frisky" with his stuffed toy.  One morning, we had to remove a hair ring from his penis (this was traumatizing to all three us of--Chillem, my husband and myself), so we got rid of the stuffed animal and he hasn't had any more hair rings.

Eight months ago, we moved out of the rental and bought our own home. We set up the play pen in the dining area again (I know, sort of ironic), but this time the chins had one whole wall they can bounce off of. We've been trying to figure out how to chin-proof this newly constructed house (there is beautiful wood trim in every room and new carpeting). The bathrooms are too small for play areas, so I think my office will be used as the "comfortable" play area (where I can sit and play with the chins), and the dining area will be the chin-only play area (where we can observe them from the living room and kitchen).  I tried out the office with Echo, but he immediately made his mark in several places on the wood trim, even with me right there. He was so fast! He would quickly run up to the trim on one side of the wall, chew it, then run to the other side of the room and chew that too (even with me gently shooing him away each time.) Of course, I also had to keep him away from the computer wires.  It was a workout keeping up with him.

Anyway, that's our story for now. I joined this site because I've been reading all your posts, and I wanted to be more than just a taker. Hopefully, I can give back one day. I really appreciate all of your experiences and knowledge, and want to provide our chins with a good home. Thank you for reading this long intro and getting to know us. I look forward to getting to know you all too!

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General Chat / Re: Hypersexual behavior- abnormal?
« on: December 13, 2014, 07:40:50 PM »
I consider fighting behavior to be quick, jerky motions toward each other (reaching at each other to bite and scratch); a lot of chasing back and forth; sometimes spitting sounds; and lots of tail swishing and jumping/bouncing off the cage wall closest to the other chin.  They used to go through periods of calmness and fall asleep near, almost next to each other (when their cages were side by side without any gaps in between, only a tight mesh screen with openings about 1/4" x 1/4"). There was a spot at the top of their cages with a wider gap (1" x 5") where they would reach up and actually bump noses.  I would keep a close eye on them and noticed that sometimes they were fine.  When they started acting up (mostly the older one), I would separate their cages to about 2" apart.

Just when I thought they were ready for the next level of introduction, the older one started with the mating calls all the time and getting sexually aroused every time I tried to pet him. I gave him extra play time to help him work off his frustrations, but it didn't seem to help.  Both chins use the same play area, but we alternate their play times. If the younger one played first, the older one would spend a lot of time sniffing where the other chin had been instead of playing. When the older chin would play first he would spend more time playing and less time sniffing. (We thought using the same play area would get them used to each other's scent.)

Once, about 6 months ago (before the hypersexual behavior started), I tried having them in the hallway at the same time for about 5 minutes (it was enclosed at both ends). I was sitting in between them and the younger seemed oblivious that the other chin was there (he's the one with bad eyesight). As soon as the older chin saw him, he immediately charged at him.  I intercepted him before he reached the younger one (I don't know what would have happened if I let him actually reach the younger one. All I could think of was the stories of chins losing toes in fights, and killing each other).

Like I said, maybe I was being too overprotective.  We've read about other chin introductions (and seen videos online) and they all make it look so easy.  Anyway, both of them seem happy right now and the older one seemed to calm down after we separated them.  Today, I was able to play with him like I used to when he was young: I took him upstairs to wake up my husband and he (the chin) played hide and seek with us under the covers.  The chin rolled around and was acting loving and cuddly.  He used to get a lot of individual attention before we got the second chin.

I'd love to hear about other people's experience with chin social behavior and tendencies. They are quite interesting little creatures.

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Guestbook / Re: Newbie saying hi
« on: December 13, 2014, 06:00:39 PM »
Hi Kaz! I'm Veronica, and I just joined this site too!  I have 2 chins. One is about 3 years old (a standard grey chin) and the other is less than 2 years old (a beige with ruby eyes too). We never thought we'd own chins until we fell in love with the first one.  After having him a year, and raising/training him, we bought the second one hoping they'd get along (we're still working on that). The younger one was small enough to squeeze through the cage when we first got him and now he's actually larger than the older one. I weigh them regularly to ensure they are healthy (the 3yr old weighs 480g and the 2 yr old weighs 523g).

I think you'll enjoy having your new family member. Chins are such a pleasure to watch and play with. They always make me smile.  I especially love it when the younger one comes up to my face and gives me "kisses". Also, I love talking to them and hearing them reply back (they make several different cooing sounds, sometimes even when they're dreaming- it's so cute). They are both very smart and have totally different personalities. When the 3yr old was young, he would sometimes fall asleep on my lap. We used to play a game where I would build a fort/tent with a blanket and we would sit in it together. He would go outside and investigate and run back into the tent until he got tired and fell asleep on me or near me.  It was so cute!

You sound like you really love your animals, and I look forward to hearing about how your chin settles in. I hope your daughter and chin love their new christmas present :::grins::

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General Chat / Re: Hypersexual behavior- abnormal?
« on: December 13, 2014, 03:04:07 PM »
I thought the introductory period should have been shorter too, but we were new chin owners and wanted to be safe and patient. The younger chin was so shy & skittish and didn't trust us for months (even now, he has moments of being skittish around sound). The older chin is very confident and social.  We didn't want to put them together before trust was fully established with the younger chin. However, I was a afraid we may have created a frustrating environment for the older chin. The two chins could hear, see and smell each other when they were close, but couldn't bite, fight or play together. The younger one has bad eyesight, so we were concerned about putting them in an open space together.  We didn't want the older one attacking him without him being able to see where to run/hide, making him not trust us again, not to mention we didn't want any of the chins getting hurt. 

Were we being too overprotective?


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General Chat / Hypersexual behavior- abnormal?
« on: December 13, 2014, 05:29:05 AM »
Hi! I've read many of your post and always appreciated your insight and opinions. I finally decided to become a member and hope you don't mind if I dive right into learning and sharing.  My husband and I have 2 male chins: one about 3 years old, and the other a little less than 2 years old. We bought them when they were each between 2-6 months old. 

We wanted the two chins to bond, but they've been slow to warm up to each other when side by side in their cages (even after introducing them slowly over the last 1 1/2 years). We've gotten their cages close enough to allow the chins to touch noses, but they always reverted to fighting behavior so we recently gave up and moved them to different parts of the room.  The weird thing is that the older one seemed to think that the younger one was a coy female. When they were side by side, he was constantly vocalizing mating calls, then he would suddenly act like he wanted to fight the younger chin through the cage.  Over time, the older one became hyper sexual. It's been difficult for me to hold him without him getting excited and ejaculating on my hand. (I've had to reduce my interactions with him and I can only hold him for short periods of time before I let him loose in the play area. I also have to shoo him away from my feet so he doesn't try to mate with my foot.)

Now that we've separated their cages, the younger chin seems happier.  When he was next to the older chin he started showing signs of being bullied (e.g. flinching when the other jumped noisily, spending lots of time behind his flying saucer, and NEVER cooing/chatting back to the other chin).  After moving him away he is acting more social (cooing/chatting, sleeping out in the open, etc).

So why do you suppose the older chin has become hypersexual?  Is it just his age? It seems obvious that a chin would recognize another male. If so, why the constant mating calls? Why can't I hold him and pet him like I used to without him getting aroused? (He doesn't act that way with my husband). Is this an adolescent phase?  At this point we have accepted that the two chins will never be compatible and that they will always need separate cages and playtimes.

Please share your thoughts to help us care for our little buddies. If we've done something wrong in raising them we want to turn it around now while they're still young. Thank you for your help!

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