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The Tans?
« on: September 22, 2006, 04:42:24 PM »

Hi all,
How many shades of tan are there?
Got pics?
My little hetero beige female kit born 9/11, well I'm not sure she is hetero.
Her color is rustier than my toupy beige heteros.And as I remember I had no trouble seeing the white underside. This little kit seems to be wrapped, but so very light it's hard to tell, yet I guess.
I have a couple of pics of her in my album.
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Re: The Tans?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2006, 10:56:18 AM »

::silly::Looks like a very light tan rap to me, especially if the belly is not white. Some people will refer to them as pastels, but that is not an "accepted" name.   With the MCBA it would still be shown in the beige division even if it were a dark tan.   But ... the heritage is the only thing that can tell for sure.  If there is an ebony or ebony carrier in the history of this little one it can be a tan.  It takes a beige and an ebony to make a tan OR one that is carrying the ebony gene, even though it may not be visible.  The ebony or ebony carrier could go back 5 generations or more without showing up till now.

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I'll try to get my album going and put a couple of pictures up.
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Re: The Tans?
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2006, 12:01:55 PM »

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I'll try to get my album going and put a couple of pictures up.
I can't wait.
Yes his Mom is a hetero and Dad a dark ebony.
I love this waiting to see what color. ;D
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Re: The Tans?
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2006, 12:49:01 PM »

 ::silly::Well, I did get 3 photos into my album before it decided to not work any more, so I will post the 4th one here and add it later ... when I can get my eyes uncrossed and before I verbalize what I am thinking.   :D

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Re: The Tans?
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2006, 03:18:43 PM »

Awesome pics Jo Ann,
Last night I was thinking, na he is just a hetero, but looking at the pic below, na I think he is a very light tan. ;D
I post another pic of him in a few weeks.
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Re: The Tans?
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2006, 09:19:34 PM »

Hay I was wondering what you think Ping is? The breeder I got him for said he was a pastel? He doe's not have a white tummy. He does't have red eye's.  ::shrug::
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Re: The Tans?
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2006, 09:22:28 PM »

I put a new pic of him in the galley. ::silly::
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Re: The Tans?
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2006, 08:17:35 PM »

::silly::Did the breeder give you a card with the colors of the parents, grandparents and/or futher back in his line?

Nobody can tell you for sure without knowing the colors in the family history.

It is next to impossible to get a good picture of a tan/a beige/a TOV "Brown Velvet". 
The beige and the TOV Brown Velvet would/should have white bellies. 
A "pastel" is not really an "accepted" color ... basically, they must have ebony and beige in the background. 
Ebony (dark eyes) and Beige (pink/ruby/dark red eyes) can produce a tan (dark eyes, not any red in them)... there are varying shades of tan but, they are all technically a 'tan' ... some refer to them as a 'tan rap' (medium tan), a 'pastel' (very light tan), or a 'chocolate' (dark tan), but, in reality they are all "tan". 
IF it does not have ebony in the background, it is not a tan.
A TOV "Brown Velvet", is a mix between a beige and a black velvet and usually has dark eyes ... they should have white tummies, but I have seen them with a beige tone belly (probably having ebony or ebony carrier somewhere back in the history when they have the "dirty belly"), but they should always have a stripe of fur across the front paws that is darker than the surrounding fur on the front paws.
Basically, your best bet is get the family history on him and go from there.  That alone will give you the true color.

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Re: The Tans?
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2006, 07:11:51 AM »

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Hay I was wondering what you think Ping is? The breeder I got him for said he was a pastel? He doe's not have a white tummy. He does't have red eye's.

I just looked at ping and he looks like a beautiful tan!  He is lovely, buy the way!

Tans are like Hetero Beiges, when you look at them in regular house light their eyes can look black because they are just so dark red.  They showed up perfectly red in the picture you took of him.  I bet if you hold him in front of a window in the right light you will see the red.
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Re: The Tans?
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2006, 07:55:05 AM »

I was talking to Pam she was getting a lot of these b/c trying to get a brown velvet? His Dad was I Black velvet and mom was a dark beige?
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Re: The Tans?
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2006, 08:36:49 AM »

I have a Black Velvet that breeds like that. All of his babies seem to have dark tummies.  I did some research and found that sometimes if you have a velvet that has veiling all the way down to the white belly, the veiling can continue onto the white of the belly in the babies.  They look like ebony carriers but have no ebony in the background.

I've sold of of the babies born here like that, but it would be interesting to breed one and see if their babies get the white tummies back.
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Re: The Tans?
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2006, 01:58:15 PM »

::silly::Hi Jamie,
   That's like Mixer ... looks like an ebony, but came from a standard and a black velvet.
   Remember the little female kit I got from you ... (6 years ago) ... we thought it was a beige, but the mom had carefully and evenly trimmed all the ends off it's fur (to the point it was almost not evedent it had been chewed) ... it turned out to be a brown velvet ... My Mocha ... She was my favorite of all my chins!  I put her with my prize tan (Punkin) and they gave me a litter of quads ... all tan boys ... I still have all of them.  I have put all of them into breeding with ebonies in hopes of more beautiful dark tans like Punkin.   They have all done very good ... giving me tans and ebonies in each litter ... until this spring ... I was very surprised when I found a beautiful black velvet kit!  That was his grandmother's side of the family showing up!   ::nod::  He is now with a standard gray female ... wonder what they will have?   ::)  There is tan, black velvet, beige and ebony in his background.

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Re: The Tans?
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2006, 05:26:43 PM »

Beiges/tans are so much fun eh! rofl
Your never quite sure to look at them.
And boy can lighting make them look so different. ::nod::
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Ping looks like a fine tan to me too.I love him. ::Lovehearts::
If they said Mom was a dark beige, and Ping was a pastel, in our terms I would say the Mom was a dark Tan, and Ping maybe the same. He would/could have been a tad litter when he was younger, so they felt it was different then the Mom.
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what we here call a dark tan, is that what some call a chocolate?
While some seem foxier than others, would that be a lack of standard.
Some pics show dark tans as real dull brown, but very dark. While others seem dark rusty brown.
What is the preferred/standrad tone for the browns?
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Re: The Tans?
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2006, 05:37:56 PM »

:blush2: Yes the Breeder called him a pastel, He was lite when I bought him home He has changed so much. The lighting can make look so different.
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Re: The Tans?
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2006, 10:11:28 AM »

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:blush2: Yes the Breeder called him a pastel, He was lite when I bought him home He has changed so much. The lighting can make look so different.

If at all possible you want to look at a chin under the natural sun light outside and/or a light bulb that is labeled "natural sunlight". 

Floresent lighting is the worst lighting in which to look at a chin.
... Question,
what we here call a dark tan, is that what some call a chocolate?
Yes, dark tan is often referred to as a chocolate.
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While some seem foxier than others, would that be a lack of standard.
Not quite sure what you are asking here ... by "foxier" are you saying thicker fur or more red cast to the fur? Or all round quality and size of the chin?
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Some pics show dark tans as real dull brown, but very dark. While others seem dark rusty brown.
What is the preferred/standrad tone for the browns?
The rusty brown is one that has a reddish cast to it ... you do not want to breed these, strive for the blue/gray hue rather than the red/rusty hue/cast when you breed and when you show.  Sometimes it is very obvious, other times you have to put the two side by side under natural lighting to see the difference.  Even the smallest hit of red under he trained eyes of a judge will set your chin down at the far end of the table and out of the running.

I have both in my herd, because I did not know at the time I got them.  I let those having a red cast be adopted as "pet quality" ... nothing wrong with it, just it is not good for breeding if you are going to show. It is still just as lovable as one with a gray/blue hue to it's fur.  I will not continue breeding these, but will find good homes for them.

The blue/gray hue on a light to medium show beige will make it look almost like a violet.  Sometimes I have to double check the cards to make sure, or take them into a different lighting.
Never go by pictures when buying a chin ... allot can be done with the lighting  and/or a photo program to make them look much different than they really are.  Different computer settings can make them appear different.  The breeder is not trying to fool you (hopefully not) because the beige and the ebony are very hard to get the real color to show in a picture.  I have seen pictures that made a beautiful violet look like a TOV/brown velvet.  In another picture on a site, there was a dark ebony/violet carrier that looked like a dark rusty-colored tan ... strictly due to the lighting.

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