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General Chat / Re: Pedigrees
« on: May 24, 2012, 01:40:30 PM »
He doesn't have to be stressed to chew.  ;) As I said - sometimes a little bit of stress will bring it out - in reference to chinchillas who weren't chewing and then suddenly do chew.
It's genetic, and can be passed down onto kits, much like malo or other genes are - since it is another recessive trait. I hope he just keeps to chewing his fur and nothing more. If you find him ever bleeding in spots or bite marks, you may want to see a vet and ask for help in trying to curb the problem, in case it gets more serious. I know of one owner who used a cone shaped collar to keep her chinchilla from chewing themselves. It didn't work as often times the collar would come off, but she tried, because of the self mutilation her chin was doing to themselves. :(

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General Chat / Re: Pedigrees
« on: May 24, 2012, 11:53:43 AM »
Fur chewing has nothing to do with baths. It is genetic, and sometimes chins don't show signs of it till later on in life, some show it right away as babies.
One little bit of stress can bring it out.
Depending how bad the chinchilla can get, they can chew through the skin. Not all chinchillas will chew their skin(many just chew the fur, but some start out with only chewing fur and progress to the skin in time.), but I know of at least two cases where people had chinchilla tails amputated because of the amount of self mutilation going on with their chinchillas, to the point of causing infections and non stop chewing through the skin.

In one case, the owner had to put their chinchilla down because he had chewed through his skin and into his intestines. We had a several paged thread up about it at the time, and when she put her chinchilla down, she was so distraught over the ordeal, she never got another one as a pet again. :(

Her chin came from a backyard breeder who was breeding rescues and pet store chins btw.

A few photos of fur chewing chinchillas:
http://www.google.ca/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&biw=1440&bih=663&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=PmVxt75WZzSXsM:&imgrefurl=http://www.whimsys-menagerie.com/furchewingbarbering.htm&docid=8Eir_ox8qip84M&imgurl=http://whimsys-menagerie.webs.com/BuffaloBillBetter.png&w=744&h=558&ei=33O-T57EPIfhiALX2fmKDg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=302&sig=105274447664436106407&page=2&tbnh=138&tbnw=185&start=21&ndsp=25&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:21,i:127&tx=85&ty=87

(I am sure with the photo below, these guys are probably all related...)

http://www.google.ca/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&biw=1440&bih=663&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=DhIT0hz-9Lz0gM:&imgrefurl=http://www.whimsys-menagerie.com/furchewingbarbering.htm&docid=8Eir_ox8qip84M&imgurl=http://www.whimsys-menagerie.com/girls-1.jpg&w=930&h=662&ei=33O-T57EPIfhiALX2fmKDg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=422&sig=105274447664436106407&page=3&tbnh=140&tbnw=192&start=46&ndsp=27&ved=1t:429,r:18,s:46,i:210&tx=106&ty=90


http://www.rivendellchinchillas.com/furchewing.html

Also just for fun, here's a page with photos on breeding chinchillas too. They are graphic photos, but this shows other aspects of breeding too!

http://www.rdzcranch.webs.com/BreedingChinchillasPage.html

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General Chat / Re: Pedigrees
« on: May 24, 2012, 09:07:07 AM »
Not sure where you are located, but health care for malo isn't cheap. I know some people who paid well over seven thousand dollars, on one chinchilla for malo. Most can't stand the suffering, pain and hand feeding that comes with malo, so they put their chinchilla down eventually. I imagine the vet bills could be higher, if they prolong the agony and suffering for the chinchilla.

 Most people who learn about malocclusion, wouldn't want to deal with it. They feel as awful as I feel when they learn how the roots grow into the nasal cavity, eye sockets or brain, over time. I just try to think of something puncturing my eye from the inside or my brain, and ouch, I am fairly sure that would hurt...  :(

I don't truly know anyone who is okay with breeding chinchillas with that. It's a slow painful death and there is no cure for it, when genetic.

Fur chewing is also another genetic issue. Some people associate it with environment, which it can be, but the fact is the chinchilla has to be predisposed to it, and then the right stresses from the environment, bring it out. With fur chewing, while most chins will chew their fur and only their fur, others can and have chewed through their skin and self mutilated themselves.

 It's not pretty. One pet owner in Vancouver, I knew, had to put her chinchilla down because he chewed through his side and the vet couldn't save him. :( I've heard of others in the States, having to get their chinchilla's tails amputated to try to curb the self mutilation.  :::(((


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Q & A / Re: strange behavior
« on: May 23, 2012, 09:51:18 PM »
Is he around 6 - 8 months old? I don't know a lot about it, but I have heard sometimes chins can be a little too territorial around that age....

I haven't personally had the experience, but there is the odd time, you will here about chins biting spouses of their owners, or snubbing someone else and favoring another person more in the household... there are also sometimes where you hear about chins peeing in certain spots (that aren't for peeing on) and almost seeming to delight in it. It could be his way of marking territory/showing his dominance, by getting his scent on it (urinating).

Now, if he is peeing like a fire hydrant and not stopping peeing, or if his pee is milky white in color, thick, etc... it could be a sign of him having a urinary infection instead. However, they can't really be picky if they have an infection and tend to go wherever, whenever.

However, to me it sounds like a territorial issue. You don't hear of it often with chinchillas. Just the odd one, once in a while.

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General Chat / Re: Pedigrees
« on: May 23, 2012, 09:31:03 AM »
Unless you find his breeder and find out if it was a chinchilla with no genetic conditions, I would not chance breeding him. Much of what Gray Rodent said is true. I know around here, most breeders that sell to pet stores, sell chinchillas they cannot sell privately whether it is quality or health problems in the lines.

Which makes sense - why would a breeder sell a chinchilla to Petco for $35 - $40 each, when they can sell the same chinchilla (if it is healthy) for $85.00 - $250 privately whether as a pet or for breeding? The only time a breeder would take the lower price, I would think, is when they cannot sell that chinchilla privately.  :::(((

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General Chat / Re: Pedigrees
« on: May 23, 2012, 09:12:23 AM »
That's okay!  ;)  

I was just trying to explain to you, how those issues can come about through breeding. Sometimes people don't understand how genetics work or how come chinchillas can have malo when their parents may only carry the gene... I am just explaining how that works. :)

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Q & A / Re: What is the best food to feed your chinchilla?
« on: May 23, 2012, 09:09:15 AM »
Some of the best diets out there are mazuri, tradition, APD or oxbow.  I personally use Alderpark, but it is only available in Canada.

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General Chat / Re: Pedigrees
« on: May 23, 2012, 12:56:43 AM »
The vet is right about the possibility of genetic conditions coming up.

Pedigrees don't even tell you that, if the chins have genetic conditions. A reliable and knowledgeable breeder you can trust will tell you that.

 Pedigrees are good for being able to trace lineage, knowing what genes are present in the lines as far as recessives or dominant, etc... (say you have a standard for example - but seven generations back there is an ebony mentioned in the pedigree...and one day you have an ebony born from that standard chinchilla. That would explain it. As ebony can pop up generations later in the lines.) and of course knowing the background to prevent breeding siblings or relations together.

There are issues to worry about like malocclusion or congenital heart defects, that you might not be aware of, but your chinchilla may carry these genes (with maloccluders, sometimes they don't even present the malo until they are seven years old or older.). All it takes is for you to breed one chin carrying malo with another who carries the gene, and one in every four kits would be maloccluders. 2 in every 4 kits would carry the gene for it (which if they were bred, it would continue an endless cycle of maloccluders if bred to others.).  If you have an actual maloccluder, which you may not find out till they are much older in age, then every kit out of that maloccluder will carry the gene. If you have a maloccluder and breed them with a chin who just carries the gene, then you have a chance of either kits born carrying the gene for malo or kits born that will express genetic malo later in life.

Malocclusion is proven to be recessive which means it can carry for generations too, in a line and resurface later. All it takes is for two malocclusion carriers to be bred together to make it happen.

Fur chewing is another issue, that is genetic and may present itself in the animal at an early age or much later in age.  As far as breeding chins from a pet store, I wouldn't recommend it, since you really don't know what you are breeding for or going to get. Imagine the heart ache of losing your chin to malo at a young age, and then think if you were to sell kits like that to others, how it would feel? It is just to me, an endless cycle of pain and suffering.

There is a lot more to say when it comes to breeding without a pedigree, but I do not want to write a novel! My suggestion, if you choose to breed, is to hook up with a breeder near you that is reputable. They can mentor you and trust me, breeders are more than happy to help new breeders. :)

As far as even thinking of breeding a pet store chin... I had a couple over yesterday who had a pet store chin they had bought back in December. Poor baby had wet eyes, and when I checked his mouth, I found spurs on his lower teeth. :( I was sorry to have to tell them that, and I believe they will be scheduling with a vet for an x ray soon. It made me sad to see the owner cry. Her chinchilla is really beautiful, really beautiful (reverse mosaic), but sadly you can't sugar coat or fake when it comes to tooth troubles in chinchillas I am hoping somehow it isn't malo, but I don't have a good feeling with the chin's eyes and teeth being that way. :( They had thought about breeding too, but I am so glad they chose to keep him as a pet.

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General Chat / Re: Mint leaves?
« on: May 21, 2012, 09:19:29 PM »
You can dry the leaves. It's just not a good idea to use fresh. Don't want any tummy upsets. You want to watch out for fresh stuff, because of the moisture, it could cause diarrhea. It's just not worth dealing with diarrhea. Same reason why people stay away from fresh fruit and other fresh items...

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General Chat / Re: Mint leaves?
« on: May 21, 2012, 06:09:14 PM »
They are fine, but not too much. Dried (not fresh), and just a pinch once in a while(like once a week or once a month. Use it like you would a treat.). It's in lifeline and can help a bit with digestive issues.

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Other Pets / Re: well have a new animal to add to my family ^_^
« on: May 20, 2012, 11:52:07 PM »
There may be a wildlife place near you, that you can take him to? I know here, we have WildArc, and we can take any wild animals we find that are hurt or in need of help, there. They handfeed or care for them properly, with vets and other staff there, experienced in properly caring for the little animals.

Maybe you could ask the SPCA if there is a wild life rescue shelter around there to drop the little one off at? I would look into it, and suggest doing that, if you'd like to try. I do believe in fact it is illegal (at least here) to keep any wild animals.

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General Chat / Re: Hello everyone!
« on: May 18, 2012, 06:33:26 PM »
Hi! There are chinchilla owners from all over. I'm from BC, Canada. I have about fifteen chins now (a few new babies though!). I couldn't imagine the long list of names, if Jamie had to write out 400 names!  ;)

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Health / Re: hot weather
« on: May 14, 2012, 09:57:53 PM »
I would still strongly recommend an air conditioner. I haven't personally been to Portugal but I got to hear about how hot it was when my brother went there for vacation.  :)
I know where I live it normally does not get too hot, however a couple summers ago we had a really bad heat wave over 40 degrees celsius for about a week, and I had numerous chinchilla owners emailing and calling me because they did not have air conditioning.

Some chins I managed to help save by giving them emergency tips for heat stroke (and when the owners dashed out for an air conditioner.), but there was one owner in Vancouver who refused to do anything and lost five chinchillas due to the heat wave...another owner had to put his chin down as he suffered what seemed like brain damage after heatstroke and having seizures.  :::(((
Chins have fur coats and you have to understand they don't sweat like we do, to keep cool, and they do not pant like dogs do, to keep cool. They just cook in their little fur coats.

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Health / Re: hot weather
« on: May 14, 2012, 04:14:15 PM »
Air conditioning works well. Do you have an a/c? Not sure entirely where you are located, but I personally recommend a/c if it gets over 70 degrees where you are. Don't want to chance anything with heat waves or spikes in temperatures.  :)

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Q & A / Re: Retardation or blindness?
« on: May 13, 2012, 11:51:01 PM »
If you feel she is blind, you can take her to a vet and let them know of your suspicions. They can check her eyes for you and see if she is indeed blind or not.

I had a chin once I got from a breeder, that acted perfectly normal. He never fell down off anything, never had a problem hopping up or finding toys to chew and nibble on... When I took him to the vet however, the vet was shocked to find he was completely blind in both eyes. :( So he did tests with the lighting to figure this out. Basically he found that my boy was acting normal because he used his whiskers to feel what was before him. That was how come he never fell off the counter or into the sink (we tested him there on the counter in the clinic....- he would use his whiskers to feel what was in front of him.). He looked like a normal chin, acted like a normal chin but completely 100% blind as a bat.

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