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Title: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: chinclub on June 28, 2006, 05:10:10 PM
We did this once before on the last board I think.  I love to see everyone's set-up (your chinchilla room, or your chinchila cage).  Its fun to see how everyone does it.

I'll start.  I have over 100 chinchillas and here is a picture of my chinchilla building and my breeding room.
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Debbie.nl.ca on June 29, 2006, 10:35:58 AM
Have you raised the cages a tad Jamie? She asks with envy. ;)
I wish I could have something like that, but sales of kits in Newfoundland just wouldn't warrent it.
I have about 30 most of the time, with just 8-10 kits sold per year.
My chins have their own room, 10x20, in the basement with our furniture show room in one end and a large work shop at the other.
All my cages are home made, except for a few conversions. One cage used to house a snake,it's some kind of a display case, and one chin cage came with a rescue.
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Jo Ann on July 01, 2006, 06:18:35 PM
::silly::Hi Debbie,

Looks like you have put allot of work into those cages ... beautiful!

The one that use to house a snake ... is it glass enclosed?  If so, careful with the lack of ventilation for the chin/chins in it.  I think the ones you've made are prettier!  ::nod::

Jamie's is wonderful with that 12 foot ceiling ... been there a few times ... it always looks like the picture ... wish I had her energy!  rofl

 ::wave::
Jo Ann
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Debbie.nl.ca on July 02, 2006, 11:05:52 AM
Thanks Jo Ann,
yes and no, the snake cage has glass doors and sides, but the top has been replaced with mesh. I placed another glass divider in it so it's two cages in one.
Most are made from pine and mesh, or metal shelving units, plexie glass and mesh.
I like plexie glass for the sides& back, and mesh for the tops and doors the best. Fit a steel pee pan and it makes for very easy cleaning.
My new 4 cage unit I used recycle tempered glass panels for the floors. Keeping on eye on the dishes and toys I put in there, but they love to sit on the glass when it's warm. The bonus is it doesn't stain, or hold any odors, and wipes clean easily.
The cage on top was a vent we had made for out side the house.
It was to big, so converted it into a cage as well.

Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Jo Ann on July 02, 2006, 01:09:59 PM
::silly::Wonderful!  I would have never thought of using tempered glass ... no stains, no odor, easy to clean ... great idea!  Time-saving and safe!   ::nod::

 ::wave::
Jo Ann
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Misskitz on July 16, 2006, 03:57:58 PM
Hi every one i don't have a chinnie room just one 5 story cage, with 3 houses, 2 wheels 1 water bottle 2 food bowls and 2 adorable chinnies! ;)
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: FluffBall on July 18, 2006, 10:46:04 PM
for all you folks that have a ton of chinnies do you play  ::silly:: with all of them or do you leave them in the cages? :::(((
I am just not sure how you have all that time for all of them?
maybe cause I have 3 kids and they tak up most of my time but the chins ae night owls and that gives me 1 on 1 time with them and also relaxes me so I can go to bed happy and calm
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: chinclub on July 19, 2006, 06:39:49 AM
Hi Fluffball,
No I don't hold all of my chinchillas and they don't get playtime outside of the cage.  But these chinchillas were born into breeding systems like this and never learned to enjoy outside cage time or enjoy being held so they don't miss it. They get their affection from their mates.  Plus all of my chinchillas are in breeding and trying to handle a pregnant female that isn't very comfortable with it could be harmful to mom and babies.  I do put hanging toys in each of my cages and the handful that do like attention get plenty of it.   ::wub::

It is a full time job!  Both of my kids are in school now so I take that time to spend out in the chinchilla building. During the summer my kids each have jobs and can help me feed, water, and sweep.  Their favorite job is hunting for the babies. The chinchillas are used to my schedule so the ones that like human interaction are always at the front of the cage for alittle kiss and a scratch.  ::nod::
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Jo Ann on July 19, 2006, 09:10:07 AM
::silly::Hi FluffBall,
   
    Jamie and I have traded breeders and all, so most of our chins even come from the same lines.  We both do the same, for the same reasons.  We love all of our chins and we give each a treat or two every day.  Some will grab them and run to the back (they don't seem to want to interact with humans), while others will take it and then stand there wanting to be scratched and/or rubbed.  This is all they know and they enjoy the comany of their mates and kits.  It is a much more 'natural' way of life for them.

   Of course, we have our 'favorites' ... mostly those that are retired or that we do not want to breed (maybe because they had it rough as a kit ... siblings hurt them and it stunted their growth), or a female that had problems delivering ... these we allow to share bigger cages and keep each other company and they will get more 'personal attention' than our breeders. 

   We handle our kits  that will be adopted daily, so that they will be use to interacting with humans when they leave us and go to private homes. 

    Some of the larger ranchers are even helping to re-populate the chinchilla's natural locations (the Andes Mountains) with their best chinchillas, so that the wild chinchillas will not become completely extinct.  It would be impossible to have these chins interact with humans ... it would defeat their purpose of surviving in the wild.

    We are into breeding chinchillas as a hobby, because we love them and want to share them with others, not for the money (or we'd stopped long ago) and not to be mean to them (we love them), but to see that they are cared for properly and to educate their new chin parents (humans) on how to properly care for them so that they can have long, happy healthy lives in their new homes.   ::nod::

 ::wave::
Jo Ann
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: FluffBall on July 19, 2006, 11:43:04 AM
I guess I could never be a good breeder cause I would always want to play with them and let them out and stuff  :::(((
I even hate seeing the pets in the stores in their cages all the time Petland is my fav though they are always taking all their animals out and interacting with them
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Jo Ann on July 19, 2006, 12:54:16 PM
::silly::We'd love to take them out, let them run and play, ::nod:: but with so many, there is not enough hours in the day.  :(  They could get hurt, or even killed  :'( ... there would be, without a doubt, some that would not get along and they could injure or even kill each other. :::(((  There would be indiscriminate breeding ... maybe even within the same family or between chins that would carry the lethal factor  :-\ ... or breeding of females to young and small to safely carry kits ... she would probably die, with the kits, during delivery.  :'(  Being a breeder is a big responsibility ... we have to do what is best for the chinchillas ... not what we would like to do or what we think would be more fun for the chinchillas. 

The chinchillas that you see in pet stores, for the most part, came from a distributor, the distributors usually keep them in huge cages ... males in one ... females in the other.  They do not play with them.  The distributors buy them from (as a rule) large ranches where they are touched by human hands twice ... once to find out if they are male or female and the second time when they are packed in shipping crates for the distributors to pick-up.

When they reach the pet stores, most if not all of the employees there know little about how to properly house, feed, take care of and even handle the chinchillas.  Therefore they can not educate people that buy the chinchillas from them.  They could care less, all they want is the money from them.

You hit a real sore spot when you mentioned Petland.  Our local Petland is the very reason I am breeding chinchillas.  See the next post, please ....
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Jo Ann on July 19, 2006, 01:15:21 PM
::silly::Here is part of an article that will help explain (the whole article is in the magazine archives)

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Author: JoAnn
Of Luv'n Chins


How and Why I Became, and Still am a Breeder


My first encounter with chinchillas was a beautiful white mosaic male in a pet store. He was the most beautiful and the softest thing I had ever touched ... and he touched my heart in a way like no animal had that I had ever seen before. It was love at first site. I had to learn more about these wondrous, precious little fur balls, even if this one would never be mine. (With a $599 price tag, he was beyond my reach at that time.) As the weeks went by, his family was brought into the store and I found myself spending a couple of hours a day 3 or 4 times a week with them. After a few months, the complete chin family had died, due to mishandling and lack of knowledge by the caretakers in the store. Sadly, in the future, I would find this to be the norm and not the exception to the rule. It was heart breaking. I vowed to get my own chins someday and know how to properly care for them.
 
   This is in reference to the local Petland.  Also, not mentioned in the article, the parents gave birth to a beautiful female white mosaic kit while there ... I decided, when I saw, it less than 12 hours after it was born, I had to have it.  I took the money I was saving for one and paid on my little Misty and everything she would need.  I went to see her daily and played with her whole family. By the time she was 6 weeks old everything was paid for in full.  I had to be out of town for 3 days when she was 8 weeks old (but Petland would not let me take her home until she was 12 weeks old).  When I got back, I stopped at Petland even before going home.  My Misty was injured and they didn't even realize it ... but I did, the minute I saw her in the corner just sitting there shaking! Not playing like she normally would be doing.   Later I would find out someone had improperly handled her and broken a rib and punctured her lung. She died a very slow and painful death. The assistant manager (the so-called-breeder) took her home with him that night ... she died during the night.   The reason I refer to him as the so-called-breeder is because the housing provided for them was from his specifications.  They were in a glass/wood enclosure with a florescent light on them 24/7, no air flow, a bowl of water, a plastic hut and a plastic dust bath container left in the cage 24/7.  The wood was press wood covered with a plastic covering that ate on constantly. And they were fed a mixture containing nuts ... giving the female liver failure due to a fatty liver from the nuts. It took me another year and a half before I could get my first chin ... during this time, I spent hours and hours daily, learning every thing I could and am still learning more each day.

 ::wave::
Jo Ann[/i]
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: chinchillagrl06 on July 19, 2006, 01:43:12 PM
Awww.. that is really heartbreaking JoAnn.
I would love to someday open a petstore that actually knows about its animals and takes proper care of them. That is my dream someday.  :) We have 1 really nice pet store around here. I actually am friends with the owner. His sister is a hobby breeder of chinchillas, but they don't sell chins in the store. He had his own chin with him one day when I went in and I completely fell in love. I bought my first 2 chins from his sister.  ::silly::
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: tinabeana on July 19, 2006, 03:11:48 PM
We bought Maggie from a Petsmart... I felt bad for her two cagemates. They were in a tall glassed in cage. Taller then me and in a half circle shape about 3-4 feet across, with one leapin' ledge about 6 inches off the ground. If I were a chinchilla I would have been terrified, not only are people always standing above them, but also the people's dogs also. Petsmart allows you to bring in "well behaved pets" (but the also have an obedience class held in the center of the school. what well behaved pet needs obediance school?).

I would get so irritated when I'd see people with dogs just leering at the chinchillas, rats and hamsters. Sure glass separated them but they had to have been frightened.

I wish we had bought her from a breeder, at least so I would have someone who knew her to ask questions.

Petsmart didn't know her age. I got several answers. One person said 4 months, one said 4-6 months, one person said less then a year and one person said it's impossible to know how old Petsmart chins are. The vet guessed she was around six months.

Also I would have preferred a chinchilla that was handled more. She runs up to me, jumps all over me when I sit with her and begs to be let out of her cage but she doesn't particularly like to be held or pet. Occasionally she'll stand near the bars and hold her chin out for me to scratch but that’s about it.

The local pet shop is no better. We go in there to look at the puppies and buy bedding but that’s it, the only other chinchilla products they carry are Kaytee products. We were in there a few weeks ago, and I was shocked they actually had a chinchilla.

The sign said "male and female $199 each or $350 for the pair," but there was only one in the cage. It was adorable, much bigger then Maggie and it’s coat was very nice looking, a lighter gray (I’m not sure of the official name of the color). So I ask the clerk it's gender and age and he says it's a boy and he has no idea how old. "He" was very friendly, ran up to me and sniffed, he let me rub his head even.

So I was there last time, and he's still there, and I ask the other clerk there about him. Well now he is a she, but we still don't know her age. This clerk said the other chin they had in the cage with her was her brother.  She said she wished the person you bought him would have taken this chinchilla too as they had gotten a long so well. I asked if the boy had been neutered and she said no of course not...

I feel really bad for that chinchilla, if we had more money and space I'd buy him too.
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Jo Ann on July 19, 2006, 06:08:03 PM
::silly::I hope the 'brother and sister' weren't together to long.  A male chinchilla has the ability of impregnating a female chinchilla at the tender age of 12 weeks ... a female chinchilla has the ability to get pregnant between 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 months of age.  She is not old enough or developed enough to safely carry/deliver kits and would probably die in the delivery process.
     I love the remark
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She said she wished the person you bought him would have taken this chinchilla too as they had gotten a long so well.
Apparently the person that said it has no idea that  chinchillas will mate with the opposite sex, even if they are related.  Insest is one thing you do not want with chinchillas, it usually means trouble.
    Most of your national chain pet stores get their chinchillas from a distributor.  On rare occasions they can get them from a local breeder, but that is very rare because most of the time a breeder that sells to a pet store will have to sign a contract that they will not sell their chins to individuals in that state.
     I hope who ever buys that little chin looks first to see if it is a he or a she.   rofl
     If the sign is still up ... someone should tell them I want both chins for $350 ...(employee) but we've already sold the other chin .... oh, what did they pay for it ... (employee)$199 ... oh, good, then I can pay the difference, $151, and get the second one.   :D  I don't think they would go for that.    rofl  but, I'd try.   ;D

 ::wave::
Jo Ann[/i]
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: FluffBall on July 19, 2006, 08:51:37 PM
oooooooh :::((( :::((( :::(((
those are such sad stories but the petland that I go to haldles their pets all the time and all day long the dogs cats birds ferrets bunnies chinnies the only things they don't play with are the reptiles and fish but they take very good care of their animals and they will educate you on them if you know nothing about them and they only sell for $99 to $159 depending on the color
that is were i got my ferret and if they didn't play with them then they would actually be mean if you go into a pet store and play with the ferrets and they bite not the babies cause they are teething then that tells you that they have not been played with
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: FluffBall on July 20, 2006, 04:03:44 PM
oh my gosh
I just got back from getting dust for my chins and had to stop and look at the babies in the store I am soooooooooooooooo frustrated with it since I have learned so much from this site

1st thing that is wrong is they have 6-8 chins in this all glass enclosure except for the top which is metal and has holes in it the size is a triangle  about 3 ft on all sides and 2 ft high  and to top it off they are not sure of the age and if they are all siblings and the worst is they are all male except for 1 silver mosaic and there is a beige male, and ebony male and I remember Jo Ann saying that there are lethal factors in breeding different colors

I told one of the employees that the female should not be in the same cage as the others and that they can breed very young and he said I know  :flames: a friend of his got a female from a different store and the had kits and were very mean cause they were inbred cause the male that was in the cage was her brother

and yet they let the female stay in that cage and didn't do anything  :flames:
Grrrrrrrrrrr that is so annoying when you tell a pet store these things about some animals to educate them and they just shrug it off :noway: >:( >:( :flames:
that gets me so mad

can anything be done about that
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: chinclub on July 20, 2006, 08:24:47 PM
Nope, as long as people continue to buy chinchillas from pet stores they will continue to sell them.  :::((( Pet stores by law only have to provide food, water, and a clean cage.  By law they do not have to be educated on the animal or its special care needs.  What makes me even more angry is the bad information pet stores give people.  They will push whatever products their store sells even if it isn't chinchilla safe.  The food they sell is crap and will shorten a chinchilla's life considerably.  Not to mention the poor health of pet store chinchillas.  From the research I've done and the people I've talked to over the years I would say that probably 80% of all chinchillas sold by the major pet store chains carry malocclusion.  Most of the emergency calls I get in the middle of the night or the frantic "help me" emails are from people who bought a chinchilla from a pet store.  They either got sick from malocclusion or from bad advice given from the store.  And yet people still keep going back and buying them and so the pet stores stock more and more chinchillas.
It's a vicious cycle.....  :::(((

OK, I'm sorry, let me step down off of my soap box now.  :blush2:
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: FluffBall on July 20, 2006, 09:19:08 PM
no don't step down
you should never step down from anything that you are against
if everyone did that then there would be so much wrong and no right
for example I volunteer at a church food bank and they on guy that help runs it will be in michigan hold up the sign against abortion he said they were going to be the grose pic ones i never saw them and he explained to me what they were pics of and he had people come up to him thanking him for the pic cause they were going to have one done and seeing the pic they turned around and they said they wouldn't give up their daughter for anything and she has brought them such joy.  that is just on current example that is fresh in my mind or what about the animal lovers if they would have stepped down thenthe zoos cages would be tiny or there woldn't have been an invention and high demand for fake fur
so you see never step down cause you never know what it will lead to
that is what i believe
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Jo Ann on July 21, 2006, 05:32:09 AM
::silly:: ::silly:: ::silly::  Go, Jamie, go!!! [/shadow] ::silly:: ::silly:: ::silly::


   FluffBall, what was the name of the petstore that is not housing the chinchillas properly?  And is leaving that one female in with all those males?

  Most pet stores (especially the national ones) are given instructions as to how to house each animal, according to what category/family they fall in.   Chinchillas are in the rodent family, so they are housed just like the mice being sold to feed to snakes.  They will tell you they have to follow the instructions of the home office (which has probably never even seen a chinchilla).

   OR they just look at you as if you have no idea what you are talking about, that they are the experts and how dare you try to tell them what to do!   (Some even have tha gall to say it.)

    I was having a 'discussion' with one store manager and Bill, my husband, got tired of his mouth ... went to the magazine rack and picked-up a copy of Critters, opened it to an article on chinchillas (one of the ones Jamie & I were interviewed in) and said ... "See that name?"  The manager said, "What does she have to do with this?"  He said,  "That is her." (As I pulled out my driver's license and handed it to him.)  Red-faced, the manager ask me if I would show him what the chins needed.  I did, and he set them up properly. rofl :D

  Of course the next year (new manager) had it back the old way.   :'(  It's a loosing battle! 
 Like Jamie said:
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And yet people still keep going back and buying them and so the pet stores stock more and more chinchillas.
It's a vicious cycle.....  :::(((

 ::wave::
Jo Ann [/i]
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Jo Ann on July 22, 2006, 09:13:28 AM
 ::silly::Let's get back to pictures of your chin rooms!   Even if you have only one cage, the room it's in is your chin room!
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: FluffBall on July 22, 2006, 10:04:23 PM
Elmer's it is privately owned they are a great store to get fish at and that is why I go there cause I love fish tanks too i think that they started out as a fish store and think they grew
they have a web site if you would be so kind in telling them how to cage them the poor things are sooo hot too cause they are all laying down on their sides they have a small plastic like hermit cage thing in ther with a ice pack in it but it wont get them cool enough
the web site is elmersaquarium.com
I would really appreciate it poor little guys and gal especially gal
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Joyce on July 22, 2006, 10:25:42 PM
 :o Oh my gosh Elmer's Aquarium!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I can remember making trips there weekly as a kid.  My parents would take me with my allowance to buy fish & supplies for my aquarium.  At that point (100 years ago)  they only sold fish.  Sounds like they should have stayed with just fish.  Why do places do this?   ::shrug::  They have a great thing going and then have to mess it all up!    :flames:  Greed!
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Jo Ann on July 23, 2006, 08:14:03 AM
::silly::Hi FluffBall,

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if you would be so kind in telling them how to cage them the poor things are sooo hot too cause they are all laying down on their sides they have a small plastic like hermit cage thing in ther with a ice pack in it but it wont get them cool enough
Done

Don't know if it will do any good, but you could check later during the week and see.  Let us know.

 ::wave::
Jo Ann [/i]
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: FluffBall on July 23, 2006, 11:43:25 AM
thanks Jo Ann
they are still a great place to get fish stuff and supplies for all kinds of animals but not the animals Joyce
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Jenova on July 24, 2006, 06:44:27 AM
Animal cruelty, even if it's not intentional, gets me so angry and even if it is a pet shop surely it still counts as cruelty. Having an injured animal, or one that it not properly housed or fed is inexcusable in my eyes. Even though we have only had our Chin for a few days we have used that time to find out everything we possibly can so how hard can it be?

I don't live in America so I don't know how the law works over there but surely there is some organisation that can at least educate them if not take away the animals that are not cared for properly.

Sorry I know this is still off topic but there must be something that can be done.
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Debbie.nl.ca on July 24, 2006, 05:33:02 PM
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I guess I could never be a good breeder cause I would always want to play with them and let them out and stuff
You don't have to have 100's to be a good breeder either. being a good breeder shows in your level of care, love concern for your animals and being able to make the right choices in breeding and keeping chinchillas.
 Wanting to keep it small enough to give yourself time to play with them has little to do with being a good breeder, nor does having houndreds.
I saw my worst breeder housing 350 chin  in an unclean, overly ventilated barn, not fit for the fleas let alone animals.He didn't even talk to them. :doh:
I keep 25- 30 chins, breeding the best, but giving top quality care to them all.
I am a "good" breeder too. ::nod::
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Jo Ann on July 24, 2006, 07:16:44 PM
::silly::
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You don't have to have 100's to be a good breeder either. being a good breeder shows in your level of care, love concern for your animals and being able to make the right choices in breeding and keeping chinchillas.

    Amen to that, Debbie. Anyone that puts a male and a female chinchilla together could be called a 'breeder', because they are allowing their chinchillas to reproduce.

    But, there is a HUGE difference between an indiscriminate breeder and a good breeder!

    The quality of the chinchilla, the knowledge of how to breed them to continue to produce high quality chinchillas generation after generation, so that the quality of life (in reference to it's size, genes, structure and over all health) is the best it can be, makes a good breeder.  Quality breeding, the knowledge of it, and the practice of it, directly impacts the future of all chinchillas. 

     Indiscriminate breeding also impacts the future of all chinchillas ... to the bad for all of them.
     You can put a high quality chin with a low quality chin and it will produce low quality chins most of the time, or at the least still carry the bad genes of the low quality chin.
     You can put a chin with a background of healthy ansestors into breeding with a chin that has heart mummers, cataracts, and/or malocclusion in it's background and you have just messed up the future for every chin that they produce and on and on through future generations.
      Anytime you put a chinchilla into breeding without knowing it's medical and color background, you are taking a huge chance of producing generations of low quality chinchillas.  Not only are the chinchillas low quality, but their life is a very low quality life also! 

     We can't toss away a low quality chinchilla or one we do not know it's background on, it is still loveable and will make a wonderful pet/family member ... just do not put it in a breeding situation!

    OK Time to get off my soapbox for now. :blush2:

 ::wave::
Jo Ann
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Sweetnessheart on September 03, 2006, 08:31:25 PM
I finally took some pictures of the my chinchilla room.  This is the best.  It shows my cages along with my extra ones on the old freezer ready for new babies when I have them! ::nod::
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: FluffBall on September 03, 2006, 08:56:57 PM
well since I moved I cannot get my nice cagte in through the door the other place had sliding doors and that is how I got it in there, I am glad I saved that ugly 2 1/2 story chin cage so I am stuck using that one till my brother can cut down the nice one ::sadtears::
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Joyce on September 03, 2006, 09:08:04 PM
 ;)  Janice, very nice room!  Great set up and it looks nice and bright like a happy room to be in!  Is this a room in your home or is it a chinchilla building?
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Jo Ann on September 03, 2006, 09:44:59 PM
::silly::  Hi Janice!
I finally took some pictures of the my chinchilla room.  This is the best.  It shows my cages along with my extra ones on the old freezer ready for new babies when I have them! ::nod::

It looks beautiful! The colors are very soothing ... the chins must love it!

It's been a long day and I looked at the last few words in your post before re-reading it ... if you can imagine reading  ::hah::  "the old freezer ready for new babies when I have them!" ... and what went through my mind!   :o  Like I said, it's been a long day!     :D

 ::wave::
Jo Ann 
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Summer on September 03, 2006, 10:07:08 PM
 ::silly:: I love your chin room.
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Sweetnessheart on September 04, 2006, 08:58:41 AM
Joyce,
My chinchilla room is in a building separate from the house.  We call it the white building (of course it is white :::grins::).  I will take a picture of it when the grass gets cut!  One side is my husband's workshop and the other side is my chinchilla room.  My husband always complains about freezing whenever he goes out to work on something....I just tell him to put on long sleeves!

JoAnn,
Oh No!!   :o Just the cages "on top" are for my new little ones!  ::nod:: We are expecting little kits any day now....(I don't know exactly when they mated so) I have been patiently waiting now for over two weeks....feeling the kits move everyday and telling Cinsi (my standard mom) to hurry up and have her babies.  She will lay on her side trying to get compfy and you can see the babies playing basketball in her tummy.  She acts so miserable!
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Summer on September 04, 2006, 09:06:20 AM
:::grins:: Isn't that just the cutest thing to see. You have tell us when she has them and lots of pics. ::silly:: ::silly::
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Jo Ann on September 04, 2006, 11:54:12 AM
::silly::I knew you meant you would put their cage on it  ::nod:: ... like I said, it had been a long day and I was just glancing over the posts ... when I missunderstood that one, and had to carefully read over it, I knew then, it was time to go to bed!  rofl
You and your husband are doing what we are planning on doing (if they ever finish the back fill in the back yard) ... Bill will have half of the building and I have the other half, with a wall between the two.  We are putting central air and heat in it ... thank goodness Bill and I like the same temperatures as the chins ... about 68 year round.   :::grins::  I told Bill we had to insulate the wall between the two so he would not scare the bee-gee-bees out of the chins with the noise.   ::)
When is Cinsi due? 
What color is her hubby? 
Is this their first litter?

 ::wave::
Jo Ann
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: chinchillaboy4 on September 04, 2006, 12:21:25 PM
Their so big, but of course they have to be when you have so many. ::nod::
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Sweetnessheart on September 04, 2006, 01:31:00 PM
Jo Ann,

Cinsi is one of the standards I got from Mr. Shoots last year at the Rock Hill show.  She is approximately 1 and 1/2 years old and her mate Toby, tan, is one of the first chinchillas I got from Jamie.  He is 3 years old.  This will be their first litter.  I don't know when they actually mated because I didn't see a mating plug or really have any idea that they even got along.  I never saw them in the same cage together.  He was always in the run looking down at her like she scared him to death.  Now that I have them seperated and he can't get into the run any longer.  He sits and cries when I am cleaning the cages wanting to get to Cinsi.  The other day I let them sniff noses and they just kissed and kissed making little sweet sounds at each other.  It is just a waiting game around here.  I placed Toby in the runs back in May.
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Jo Ann on September 05, 2006, 09:34:32 AM
::silly::
Cinsi is...standard...from Mr. Shoots last year at the Rock Hill show...is...1 and 1/2 years old and her mate Toby, tan, is...from Jamie...is 3 years old.  This will be their first litter. 
It being their first litter, will make it a little easier.
The teats will elongate and become pinker and a small area of fur will fall away around them. Usually they are almost impossible to find, but will be obvious when you run your fingers from the arm pits downward to the hind legs, during the last 10 days to 2 weeks on a first time mom. 
Usually the first time you feel the kits move (if you have checked daily), it will be about 2 weeks from that day that she will deliver ... if it is 1 or 2 kits, if it is 3 or more kits, you will often feel them move before the two week period. 
 She should eat more the last few days and during the last 12 to 24 hours, they normally increase their water intake by 50 to 100%. 
Normally, in the beginning, they will 'flatten out' on the bottom of the cage and show a more shallow breathing than normal. 
As it progresses, you will usually see them do what almost looks like an exercise session of stretching and pushing against the hut, wall or wire of the cage ... here she is trying to help get them into position to deliver. 
You should also notice her cleaning herself almost constantly. 
Most kits are delivered with the mom in the standing position.  If you can see the contractions and she starts laying on her side, please contact your vet a.s.a.p. ... there may be a problem, this is NOT the normal position chinchilla moms are in to deliver their kits.   OR if she does not deliver with in 4 or 5 hours, you may want to contact the vet.  OR if you see any blood and she does not deliver within a short period of time, contact your vet.

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"I don't know when they actually mated because I didn't see a mating plug or really have any idea that they even got along.  I never saw them in the same cage together." 
It only take one time and only 10 to 15 seconds. Out of all the litters that have been born here, I've only seen one mating plug.
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He was always in the run looking down at her like she scared him to death.
 He probably tried before she was ready and she beat him up.  ::)
 
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Now that I have them separated and he can't get into the run any longer.  He sits and cries when I am cleaning the cages wanting to get to Cinsi.  The other day I let them sniff noses and they just kissed and kissed making little sweet sounds at each other.
  He was finally patient and won her over ... they miss not getting to cuddle.  If you have the door that closes off the run so he can not get to her, it might calm both of them if they can see and smell, but not get into the same cage.
 
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It is just a waiting game around here.

 Watch for the increase in water intake and the other signs of labor I mentioned.  Keep us posted!

  ::howdythere:: I am going to copy and paste these last two posts to Breeding 101 and we can continue with pictures of chinchilla rooms on this post.   ::nod:: ::howdythere::
 ::wave::
Jo Ann
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Jo Ann on September 05, 2006, 10:34:17 AM
 ::silly:: Here's a couple of picture of cages we had set-up after moving the chins from up stairs to the basement.

 ::wave::
Jo Ann
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Sweetnessheart on September 05, 2006, 11:00:05 AM
Just a reminder!!!  On my pictures you may notice that the sun is shining brightly through my blinds!  I had them opened for the picture only! 

Make sure to keep your chinchillas out of direct sun rays/light....it can over heat them easily!!

This ends your public service announcement!! :::grins::



Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Joyce on September 05, 2006, 02:52:33 PM
 :::grins:: Finally pictures of one of  my chinchilla rooms!  We recently renovated my husbands split level office and converted the lower level it into a chinchilla room.  Right now there are 14 cages housed in the room.  The other 7 cages are still located downstairs in our breakfast room area which is our original chin room.  It is in this area we keep the high maintenance chins with medical issues that need to be monitored.  Such as seizure disorders, blindness, momma with kits, well you get the picture.
Still need to do some stuff to complete the new chin room such as, hanging shelves & pictures, putting up a cork bulletin board, etc....but this is what we have got so far.   
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Joyce on September 05, 2006, 03:02:42 PM
Another view!!
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Joyce on September 05, 2006, 03:03:28 PM
And another view...
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Jo Ann on September 05, 2006, 03:37:13 PM
::silly::Hi Joyce!
    It's beautiful!  Boy do you have a variety of dust bath containers!
    Remember, all you have to do to enlarge the picture is click on it!
 ::wave::
Jo Ann
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Terri on September 05, 2006, 03:49:59 PM
Hi Joyce (& All)!

I am new to the chinchilla club and a new mom to 2 chinchillas. Where did you get your cages? I am looking for a wire cage with wood shelves and can't seem to find one anywhere. Right now I have a plastic one that I'm not too happy with, luckily they haven't started chewing on it yet.  :)

-Terri
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Joyce on September 05, 2006, 04:24:18 PM
  I really need you around more Jo Ann!!!!!!!!!!  Mike & I posted these pics, yes we finally got our computer to cooperate and do pictures!  But Mike kept looking at them and saying "wow those are really microscopic aren't they"!!!!! 
 :blush2: See, of course we had no idea you could click on them to enlarge!  :doh:

Thanks again for coming to my rescue!
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Jo Ann on September 05, 2006, 09:35:48 PM
::silly::Hi Terri,
    Most pet stores have the metal cages for small pets ... the thing is to find one that has the proper size wire for a chinchilla ... they need 1/2" x 1" or smaller wire.   Many of the cages have plastic shelves.  I find it best to go to the local hardware store/lumber yard and get a 1" x 6" untreated pine board and have them cut it to fit the shelf size needed.  Then get some wood screws and solid "O" rings and install the shelves myself. Hold the shelf in place, put the ring between the wood and the wire and another ring on the outside of the wire and screw it together tightly.  (It's best to pre-drill the holes for the screws ... two for each end of the wood shelf.)  ::nod::
     The wood that is left over can be cut into small chew blocks for the chins to chew on and play with.  You might want to get a couple of extra shelves so when they chew the original ones, you can replace them.  A couple of pieces of sandpaper to smooth the edges and sand off any stains is a good idea also.  ::)

 ::wave::
Jo Ann
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: chinclub on September 06, 2006, 06:30:20 AM
Hi terri,
try this site: http://www.qualitycage.com/chinchilla.html  I have their chinchilla townhouse and it is plenty huge!!!  There are great cages and you really can't beat the price.
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: tinabeana on September 26, 2006, 02:34:57 PM
So this poor chinchilla I wrote about below is still at the pet store, I go by occasionally to torture myself. The food in his/her cage is filled with colorful dried fruit and the dust bowl is left in the cage constantly (always full of poop). The cage itself is a single level box, kind of like the super pets ones, but not as tall and not even one ledge, her plastic hut is always overturned.

One time I went in and this guy was there with two kids and walked past the chinchilla and said, "Whats this? Some sort of retarded rabbit?"

At that moment I felt mild irritation, but fear set in as I listened to the woman behind the counter describe them as easy to care for and cuddly. I piped in that I owned a chinchilla and she was neither cuddly nor cheap to care for, the woman replied oh all animals are different.  :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames:

Still this chinchilla seems happy, and lets me rub her head. The chin has beautiful beige (I think) fur.

I want to buy her/him so bad and for some reason they've raised the price even more to $219. I'm sure right now we couldn't afford another chin and chin cage but I hope she holds on till we can.

The local pet shop is no better. We go in there to look at the puppies and buy bedding but that’s it, the only other chinchilla products they carry are Kaytee products. We were in there a few weeks ago, and I was shocked they actually had a chinchilla.

The sign said "male and female $199 each or $350 for the pair," but there was only one in the cage. It was adorable, much bigger then Maggie and it’s coat was very nice looking, a lighter gray (I’m not sure of the official name of the color). So I ask the clerk it's gender and age and he says it's a boy and he has no idea how old. "He" was very friendly, ran up to me and sniffed, he let me rub his head even.

So I was there last time, and he's still there, and I ask the other clerk there about him. Well now he is a she, but we still don't know her age. This clerk said the other chin they had in the cage with her was her brother.  She said she wished the person you bought him would have taken this chinchilla too as they had gotten a long so well. I asked if the boy had been neutered and she said no of course not...

I feel really bad for that chinchilla, if we had more money and space I'd buy him too.
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Stacy on September 26, 2006, 02:55:40 PM
I know how you feel. I go to Pet Smart some times to get different things and I get so mad when I see the poor little chins in there small little cages.
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Joyce on September 26, 2006, 03:33:50 PM
 :::(((  Our PetSmart keeps their chinchillas in aquariums and gives them a ton of fresh veggies & fruits! 
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Summer on September 26, 2006, 04:13:52 PM
 :'( and :flames:
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: ThreeLilChins on November 16, 2006, 12:19:55 PM
Here it is
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f336/blondbeauty84/Picture001.jpg)
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Stacy on November 16, 2006, 01:54:26 PM
I bet they love there cages. It looks like they have a lot of ledges and things to play with.
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: tinabeana on November 29, 2006, 06:31:59 PM
Okay sorry to bring this up again. I couldn't help myself I went back to the pet store and the chinchilla is still there. Today there was half a fresh orange in her very dirty cage.

 :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames:

I told they guy, you know its not a good idea to give them fresh fruit, especially oranges and definately not that much. He said, "she looks fine."

 :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames:

I left. Should I buy her? She still costs the same amount. Should I tell them I want her but refuse to pay full price because I see her how poorly she is kept?

My husband feels bad for her as well. I think we are just leery of spending so much for a chinchilla especially because we know how poor its diet is and how much it could cost in vet bills. I don't want to get a chinchilla that we can't afford to take to the vet, but I don't feel good about leaving her there.

Should I not buy her, just to withhold money from the store and not support them? I don't want the chinchilla to suffer just so we can take a stand against the pet store.

I don't know what to do. I could probably put her on a credit card but not until monday.  :'(  :'(

So this poor chinchilla I wrote about below is still at the pet store, I go by occasionally to torture myself. The food in his/her cage is filled with colorful dried fruit and the dust bowl is left in the cage constantly (always full of poop). The cage itself is a single level box, kind of like the super pets ones, but not as tall and not even one ledge, her plastic hut is always overturned.

One time I went in and this guy was there with two kids and walked past the chinchilla and said, "Whats this? Some sort of retarded rabbit?"

At that moment I felt mild irritation, but fear set in as I listened to the woman behind the counter describe them as easy to care for and cuddly. I piped in that I owned a chinchilla and she was neither cuddly nor cheap to care for, the woman replied oh all animals are different.  :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames:

Still this chinchilla seems happy, and lets me rub her head. The chin has beautiful beige (I think) fur.

I want to buy her/him so bad and for some reason they've raised the price even more to $219. I'm sure right now we couldn't afford another chin and chin cage but I hope she holds on till we can.

The local pet shop is no better. We go in there to look at the puppies and buy bedding but that’s it, the only other chinchilla products they carry are Kaytee products. We were in there a few weeks ago, and I was shocked they actually had a chinchilla.

The sign said "male and female $199 each or $350 for the pair," but there was only one in the cage. It was adorable, much bigger then Maggie and it’s coat was very nice looking, a lighter gray (I’m not sure of the official name of the color). So I ask the clerk it's gender and age and he says it's a boy and he has no idea how old. "He" was very friendly, ran up to me and sniffed, he let me rub his head even.

So I was there last time, and he's still there, and I ask the other clerk there about him. Well now he is a she, but we still don't know her age. This clerk said the other chin they had in the cage with her was her brother.  She said she wished the person you bought him would have taken this chinchilla too as they had gotten a long so well. I asked if the boy had been neutered and she said no of course not...

I feel really bad for that chinchilla, if we had more money and space I'd buy him too.
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: tinabeana on November 29, 2006, 06:35:51 PM
... oops
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Abby W. on November 29, 2006, 06:48:51 PM
tinabeana,

I know how frustrated you feel.  Unfortunately there a fair number of people in this world who feel mishandling/neglecting animals is perfectly ok to do.  They see animals as less than living creatures with feelings and needs, and more as things to be used for one's own gain or pleasure and then discarded.  As far as I am concerned there should be a licensing procedure for pet ownership.  But there isn't, and we just have to accept that sometimes there are going to be some that we just can't save no matter how much we want to.  You cannot put your financial stability on the line, because that could ultimately lead to the suffering of not only that chin, but your other pets as well, not to mention yourself and the other members of your household.  So, if it is something you can reasonably afford by all means go for it!  But if it's not, it doesn't make you a bad person to turn away, even if it is very frustrating.  If I were you though I would definitely try to educate people about the store's practices and let the manager know you are doing so, and that you are going to tell people not to shop there if they don't stop mistreating their animals.  A businessman will always respond to any threat to the bottom line.
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: hope on November 30, 2006, 05:09:40 AM
The trouble is when this chin finds a home they will probably get another chin in & on it goes!
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: hope on November 30, 2006, 05:23:43 AM
Here is a pic of my chin room :)
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: chinclub on November 30, 2006, 11:04:34 AM
Thanks for sharing your pictures.  Those are nice cages did you make them?
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Debbie.nl.ca on November 30, 2006, 11:50:05 AM
Yes Hope,
What a nice set up.
How do you find the lower cages?
I have two low ones and they are such a torment.
Jamie you put a lower level in your new chin building didn't you? How's that working?
I have serious back problems and am using a stool to sit on but trying to reach the back is killing me.
I've put my two cleanest gals down there now. rofl
It's awesome hope, just like to give folks things to think about when they are starting to set up. ::thumbsup::
I do love my cages at waist level, but we do run out of space when we have to have more. ::silly::
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Joyce on November 30, 2006, 05:05:36 PM
Hi Tinabeana,

I know how you feel trust me!  Several of my "rescue" chinchillas come from pet stores.
  :::((( Unfortunately they were also kept in poor conditions and not cared for properly. Usually we come home and I cannot stand it so we go back to get them.
I buy them and take them home with me to live a very nice life, like they deserve!  I don't breed so no worry there.
These guys have turned out to be wonderful chins and very happy & appreciative ones!  One is blind, and 2 have seizure disorders.  Both of these medical problems have not been expensive or huge issues for us.  If I could turn time back I'd do it all over again and adopt them again!

The pet stores all have gotten ear beatings from me on proper chinchilla care.   ::nono:: I have talked to them, taken in care sheets for them as well as their customers and introduced them to the chinchilla club site and others.  I do have to say that many have improved the care since.  So, it was all worth it.  ::thumbsup:: 
 ::scaredspeachless:: I think they all run when they see me coming now!
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: hope on December 01, 2006, 02:04:10 PM
I am UK based & they were made by a lovely man who is well known over here called 'John Hopewell' who made the cages for the squirrels in the Harry Potter film. :)
The stands are on castors & are easy to wheel about by yourself which makes cleaning time so much easier & I can get to everything.
Debbie I know what you mean about the bottom one's as I have to kneel down so I tend to keep those empty when I can & in a ideal world I would have a enormous set up like yours Chinclub & use the middle 2 cages only :::grins::
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: chinclub on December 02, 2006, 07:29:52 AM
I have 2 cinder blocks under my cages to lift them up some.  They are all above knee level.  I can just bend down to reach the pans on cleaning day, but I have to kneel all the way down to get the chinchillas out of the cage.  I have tried having cages all the way to the floor and other cages high enough that I need a stool but in both cases I find that the chinchillas get wilder.  I guess they don't see or interact with me enough when they are too high or too low.  Now I keep them all at a comfortable level for me and the chinchillas.
Title: Re: Pictures of your chinchilla rooms
Post by: Abby W. on December 02, 2006, 08:17:32 PM
Yes, I have found the same.  I have mine in melamine cages, in units of two stacked vertically.   I have to keep rotating the chins from top to bottom and vice versa because I have found the chins in the bottom levels, no matter who I put down there, get very shy and standoffish after a few weeks.  I guess they get tired of seeing my knees  ::shrug::