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Chinchillas => Health => Topic started by: duny on March 23, 2012, 06:01:00 PM
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Hello, I have 6 chins 3 males and 3 females. I think that there is a fungus around, ringworm maybe. One chin has lost some fur at his nose, and another one has an eye problem like conjunctivitis.
Now, is fungus has any relationship with conjunctivitis?
Of course, I quarantined both of them from the other. They are males both. I already cleaned and disinfection all the cages...hard work... and i must do it again...
I give Fuscidin Viscous eyes drops to the one with conjunctivitis, 2 times a day one drop. I give to all chinchillas dust bath every day with powder inside that has Miconazole except the one with the eye.
They have past 3 days now and the one with the eye problem seems better. I know that i must continue to the dust bathing with the powder inside everyday for at least one month. Until now, no other chin has signs of fungus ECXEPT an ear thing that 4 of the 6 things have. The two males that are at quarantine and two females, at the back of their ears and at the base to the ear where they start to have fur they have skin flakes like dandruff. Nothing else seems strange until now.
Could this be fungus? Dry skin? I have not noticed at the past and i am not sure if this was happening at the past, because now i am examining them so closely and thorough.
Any advice could be helpful for the total of my chins problems. I just hope the fungus thing to stop at 1 or 2 chinchillas otherwise i am going crazy ::pull hair::
Thanks in advance
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It could easily be ringworm. I think the eye thing was probably unrelated to the infection. With eye problems it's best to forgo dusting for a few days and it was probably dusting that caused it. It's not unusual in chins. I'm glad it's clearing up. If improvement stops then you might have something else going on.
Typically ringworm presents with fur missing from the nose with flaky and reddened skin that spreads outward. It is very easily spread by contaminated dust so you should be treating all of your chins as if they have it.
Unfortunately flaky skin is also a symptom of ringworm, but it could also be that they getting too many dust baths and it is causing dry skin. From what I understand They should be dusted every other day and given access about 10-15min at a time. Cleaning and disinfecting the cages every day is certainly good practice. It can also help to put the cage outside in the sunlight after cleaning it with bleach to dry off since sunlight helps kill the fungus too. It is important they do not share dust or dust bath containers during this time because this is the primary method for ringworm to spread.
I've treated ringworm with my 3 cats (all got old and died it was a while back) and it's a major pain. It can take months to fully clear up after daily baths in ringworm rinse (try saying that ten times fast). With one cat it kept recurring about once a year and then I got it myself!
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The eye probbably is unrelated as you say but it happened together with ringworm and i was astonished this day by just looking them after i came back from work and didn't know from where to start! Now The truth is I don't have a house so big for diffrent 6 cages to different 6 rooms... and definitely i don't want a chinchilla (noise!!) and even better a chinchilla with ringworm to my bedroom! So i put 3 chinchillas in one room to separated cages and about 2 meters away from each other, and in another room I have 2 chins to the same cage and one to a separate cage but this two cages have less than a meter distance. That is the best i can do to the house i live. I try not to bath the one with the eye problem yet. And I change the dust bath and disinfection the dust bowel fisrt for each one cage.
I am still curious if someone knows about the skin flakes behind their ears low where the fur starts. Except the flaky that is ONLY behind their ears there is no reddened skin to any chin to the ears or somewhere else and not even to the chin thas loosses fur at his nose there is not any reddened skin sign.
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OK, first lets be sure it is the fungus because dusting a chinchilla everyday will cause dry skin on the ears and feet. You could be causing the symptoms you are trying to treat. :)
The one with fur loss on the nose. Is the baldness spreading? Is the exposed skin red or the normal color? Do you see any signs of new fur growth? If the baldness isn't growing, the skin looks normal, and new hair is growing it is not fungus. If the skin looks red and scaly, if the baldness is spreading it is fungus.
Were the two males (fur loss and eye trouble) housed together or in separate cages? If they were housed together I would consider that is was a fight than caused both problems.
Unless you are activaly treating a fungus, a chinchilla sould only get a dust bath 3 times a week at max.
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Thank you chinclub for your answer and the way you try to put things down!
"OK, first lets be sure it is the fungus because dusting a chinchilla everyday will cause dry skin on the ears and feet. You could be causing the symptoms you are trying to treat."
You are absolutely right and that is what i want to know. I really try hard to find if it is fungus or something else... Unfortunately there is no vet where I live to know from chinchillas and also to do blood tests or microscopic faecal examinations and cultures. Feces culture as I know needs a week and maybe more, though, to have results. I hope it is not fungus, but I react at the moment as it is fungus. I know how bad it is to be fungus and how important the care is before time shows real and bad results...
"The one with fur loss on the nose. Is the baldness spreading? Is the exposed skin red or the normal color? Do you see any signs of new fur growth? If the baldness isn't growing, the skin looks normal, and new hair is growing it is not fungus. If the skin looks red and scaly, if the baldness is spreading it is fungus."
The baldness spreaded as I can see but only to the spot he started to loose fur. It didn't become bigger. It is not red but his normal color (grey most). I can't say if hair is growing, today is the fourth day and maybe is early. Because the baldness is exactly at the start of his nose and upper like 4mm, the skin is a little pinky where his whiskers are but that is normal, i think, not sure.
"Were the two males (fur loss and eye trouble) housed together or in separate cages? If they were housed together I would consider that is was a fight than caused both problems."
They housed together with a third one too. I am not sure that it was a fighting because the one with the baldness is my first chinchilla, he is 7 years old and is extremely calm and good, never fights. But you can never be sure what happens at night when you sleep though... The other one with the eye problem for 4 days i was using chamomille to his eye 2 times a day and the eye was going much better. The white discharge was gone from the second day and it was almost 90% opened yestarday so I thought that no antibiotics will be needed. Suddenly though, today morning his eye was shut, sticked with the white tearing and i used warm chamomille to soft it and so to open the eye, and i started antibiotic drops now to his eye so i think that this is infection too like conjunctivitis.
I know that the situation is a little condused and thats the reason I opened the thread. I am lost and i don't know what I have to deal with exactly. Maybe time will show, but I try to find the cause and the treatment before time really shows and I am scared about myself too, as I know that IF it is fungus it can be spread on me too. I try to take all precautions like wearing other clothes, epsecially with the grey one that has baldness, and wash my hands good etc.
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Yes fungus is a bear to deal with, but it isn't the plague. :D In a situation like mine with 400+ chinchillas it would be a nightmare, but with a small group of chinchillas it is totally manageable so don't panic. As long as you wash up good after handling them you will be fine., assuming it is fungus.
I wasn't sure from your post, is the baldness spreading? Fungus actively grows and the baldness gets noticeably larger. It also spreads to other parts of the body. From what you are telling me it sounds more like he rubbed the fur off either with a fight or from something in the cage. Noses are prime areas for this. I see it from time to time in my herd. Keep a close eye on that spot. Chinchilla fur grows really fast so if you look close you might can see tiny little hairs just breaking the surface. The second you see that you are home free. That would mean it is certainly not fugus.
The one with the eye concerns me more. If it was a minor irritation the tea should have fixed it within 24 hours. The fact that it is getting worse again tells me it is something more. That one needs to see a vet. Eyes are pretty universal so ANY vet should be able to handle that.
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Chinclub thank you for folowing me and trying to help!
First of all i wash my hands well after touching anything from any chinchilla or a chinchilla. When i particularly touch the two chinchillas the one with the baldness and the other with the eye problem i change clothes also.
Well the baldness definitely spread but there is nothing unusual on the skin like redness. The skin looks normal and I tries under strong light to see anything but nothing like red skin on the bald spot or around. It doesn't have any other bald spots at any part of his body yet and we are at the fifth day almost now (from the day the baldness spot at nose begun). It doesn't look like rubbed at the cage or somewhere else. I will try to find a digital camera (I don't have) tomorrow to post some pictures, of the nose and ears, so it may help you. I have a question and it has to do also with your question if tiny hairs grows: The fungus when it attacks at a spot, lets say a circle with diameter 10mm, the hair disappears completely from inside that circle? I ask this because it has scatteringly bold and missing fur. It is not like a clear spot that as i have read this happens with fungus. Maybe i am wrong. It is like 2mm without hair then 2mm with hair and all this scatteringly. I don't know if i explain it well because as you may already noticed, English is not my native language ::)
About the one with they eye problem, now that he is at antibiotic treatment, for the first day. I give him Fuscidin Viscous eyes drops two times a day (I spoke to a vet, but at phone) as it is likely to be conjunctivitis. You think maybe it is something else? Should tea clear conjunctivitis?
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If you run your hands down the backs of the two chinchillas do you feel and tiny bumps? I am still thinking it sounds more like a fight. When you have males housed in the same cage with females around (in the cage or in another cage in the room) eventually they will fight. It isn't a question of if it is a question of when. When they fight they pull hair and they bite. You can tell a fight after a day or so because all of the tiny little bites develop scabs. You can't always see the bites the first day or two but by now they would be obvious if they were there. Check them both, even in the spots with hair.
I can't be 100% without seeing your chin, but I just feel that the skin would be obviously red and scaly. With fungus the bald area will continue to grow outward and the bald spot will get bigger and bigger. Here is a picture of what the skin will look like with fungus:
(http://www.chincare.com/IMAGES/healthmed/fungus/fungus-swollensidehealing.jpg)
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I did this already and i didn't feel any bumps, but i will do it again more thoroughly. I will also find a camera tonight to post a couple of pictures of the bald spot and the flakes behind the ear. Fortunately, i would say, the picture you posted it isn't at all the same with my chinchilla's bald spot. There is no any red or scaly signs in his skin. I hope when i posts the pictures to help you more!
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I was thinking about your situation today and something else came to mind. How is his eating? Could their be a problem with teeth? I have seen bald spots before on the face when there is a situation with pain. I have had bad eyes cause chins to rub the fur from around the eyes. I had a chinchilla splinter a front tooth and rub the fur off around her nose and mouth wiping at the mouth.
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I don't know how to thank you for trying to help my chinchillas. ::rosesforme::
He is eating normally and all of my chinchillas are eating normally, i would say maybe a little more than other months. His teeth are deep yellow to orange and normal. This chin with the bald spot he is 7years old now and he NEVER had any health issue until now. The chin with the eye problem is the one who eats more of every other chin I have!
I found a camera to post some pictures for his nose and ears. I hope this pictures to help you for a solution ro my chinchiullas problem.
Nose Links
http://www.seatech.gr/Bnose1.JPG
http://www.seatech.gr/Bnose2.JPG
http://www.seatech.gr/Bnose3.JPG
Ears Links
http://www.seatech.gr/Bear1.JPG
http://www.seatech.gr/Bear2.JPG
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OK, the nose still looks like a fight to me. It looks like there is a bit of an injury close to the nose.
The ears do look a little suspect, though.
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Yes that is exactly what I can understand from the nose too, but the baldness is quite large though and that terrified me about a fungus situation.
I searched again the two males, for fight signs, (the one with the bald spot and the other with the eye problem) but didn't find any bumps and also tried to look at all the body blowing the fur but didn't find any bite either.
Now for the ears. As i told you I have the three male at one cage and the three female at another cage. When i saw the nose problem I immediately quarantined this chin and the same day the other male with eye problem came up and quarantined this too. BOTH of these chins have the thing you saw at the pictures at their ears. The third male doesn't have this problem until now which is the 6th day. Finally the females 2 from 3 have this ear thing problem. I haven't quarantined them as I don't have another room for that.... I use dust bath 3 times a week for 20 or 30 minutes. Also the place I live is high in humidity because it is an island. I searched at the internet very much and didn't find anything about this as it is at the pictures I posted. Their skin where the flakes are behind the ears is just normal, and no fur loss seems to be.
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And you are dusting the ones with the ears everyday, right? Did the ears come up after you started doing that?
There can be a lot of fur loss during a fight. Like I said before, when males are kept together with a female in the room they will fight and usually it is very violent.
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It is now 6-7 days that I give them dust bath every day. I hadn't noticed the ear problem before but only the last 3 days. I haven't really noticed a difference as it is maybe too early yet. IF it is dry skin problem you think it is good to continue give them dust bath every day? I don't know if dry skin could happen only to ears though, and because the humidity here is high they shouldn't have dry skin problem I think.
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The photos look like ringworm to me. :( Nose included. I've seen ringworm like that before.
If it isn't getting better, you could try an oral treatment for the ringworm. Tinactin powder in the dust is usually recommended for fur fungus. However, sometimes fungus isn't always easy to clear up.
If you wanted to try, you could go to your local vet, and ask about using an oral treatment like ketoconazle. I used it many years ago, with a nasty fungus I got on some chinchillas shipped from the states. You only need two pills to treat with. Each pill is cut up into 8 pieces and you use one piece a day for a 16 day treatment. It's an anti fungal oral treatment that has been used for years with ranchers locally here. You can only get it by prescription from your vet, as far as I know.
It isn't as often used these days as tinactin is, but it does work for a real stubborn fungus you may run into. On another note, one thing a vet told me a long time ago when it came to fungus, is that "it often gets worse, before it gets better." That is very true.
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I took the two chins (males) the one with the eye problem (it looks almost healed after 3days antibiotic drops) and the other with the nose bald spot. I searched them very thoroughly and I noticed unfortunately signs that are not look good, and the worst is that I am sure that other two chinchillas (females) have similar signs...
I found that the flakes at the ears today are more than yesterday and is like dry skin because if I scratch the base of their ears the flakes get more as they unstick from the skin. Then especially the one with the eye problem has these flakes almost all over his body except the back (from the back legs to the tail). More than the half body has flakes up and under at the belly, not as many as at the ears, but they exist. In addition, it looks like it loses hair especially around his neck and the fur there is much less dense. Also, the forehand of the chin that has bald spots at the nose is also in bad condition. The bald spot there is very small and I had to wet the fur so I can isolate it, it has flakes, it is not red I would say, but it is something that eats their fur!!! You can see lower fur and missing fur. I post the pictures. I will go to vet to ask because I must do something right now, the powder don't seem to have great results...
Forehand
http://www.seatech.gr/Bforehead1.JPG
http://www.seatech.gr/Bforehead2.JPG
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It could just be a certain strain of fungus that is resistant to the active ingredient in the foot powder. Sometimes, you have to take other options to treat certain fungus. Some fungus strains, for example will glow under black light. Other strains will not glow. Culturing the fungus (your vet does this for you if you ask.), can sometimes determine the strain of fungus and of course can say a lot more on what best treats it. It takes a few days to figure it out while they grow it in the lab.
But...looking at photos, and knowing that you've been using foot powder - which doesn't appear to be working? - might be in the best interest to try an oral treatment. I know how depressed chins get with fungus, so the sooner you resolve it, the happier they will be. :) Ketoconazle is a really inexpensive treatment too. Two pills for one chin, that's all. Not sure about the price down there, but it's only $2.00 a pill around here. Keep treating with the tinactin anyways, for the meantime, but try to get in soon to see your vet. Good luck and hope they get better soon.
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Really thank you for following my problem!
I use foot powder 6 days now. The flakes and the bald spot are more though. I don't know if 6 days is enough for them to get better but as i have read and you are right to this I must find and other medical solutions as the powder is not enough the most times. It is not a matter of money, anything for them to be cured fast! I wrote down the medicine you propose to ask the vet tomorrow, but I have the feeling that I won't find it. It is a small island here and many things don't exist. The vet doesn't even know what a chinchilla is!... 7 years that I have chinchillas and everything learn it from the internet, and from a vet by phone. Hopefully they didn't have until now something very serious like malocclusion or any health issues that they really need the vet's support. Sometimes I am so tired of trying to find every solution with this way, and then I can't find certain things like medicines or even proper bedding, I accuse myself for choosing chinchillas for pets. But I regret the next second because I love them so much, and the reason I have them is because I saw and understand from the first moment what souls they have. Well, now I am telling my life's story :) I will see the vet tomorrow and anyway I will try to find the proper medicine from another place and send me by courier. I just wanted to know with what I have to fight. And it seems that is ringworm.
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I am sure you should find it. It is more often prescribed for people, not pets. The vet will probably request you go to a pharmacy for the prescription. Vet clinics themselves do not carry it (at least where I am, it is not at the vet clinics.) but they have it in their books for anti fungal care. What island are you on?
Fungus is really easy to take care of. It does make the chins depressed when they have it though. Compared to malocclusion or something more serious, it's a cake walk to cure. The vet might want to prescribe a cream for topical care, but the chins really don't like that and it makes them more unhappy. Topically, keep to the tinactin in the bath, and then use oral treatment as well.
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Hello!
The island I live is at Greece and it is called Santorini.
Well I went to the vet with one chinchilla. She didn't even know how to hold it. Anyway I hold it and shown her all these things. She told me the same that is fungus and ringworm. She didn't want at first to give me malaseb shampoo because it is too strong for small animals she said. I insisted to give it to me and that i will be very carefull with it. She also gave me oral treatment ITRADROPS which contain itraconazol and she told me to give 0,5ml every morning, once a day for two weeks. She told me that is the same with the pills you told me.
What do you think?
Can you please tell me how to use the Malaseb? With water or not? I leave it on the chin or I must wash it to leave?
Should I provide the oral treatment to all 6 chins? As the 4 of the 6 have the flakes at the moment nothing else, but I am afraid that all may have the fungus.
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Itraconconazol is probably better. It will kill more kinds of fungus and may cause less side effects. You probably shouldn't use the shampoo. Bathing your chinchillas in water can cause them to go into shock and die because of the sudden changes in temperature if it is not done exactly right.
Make sure none of them are allergic to the itradrops before you do anything else. I'm not sure if you should treat all of them but I think it will be necessary.
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Thanks for the answer, but how will I know if they are allergic? I guess I will understand after I give it.?
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Redness of the skin, difficulty breathing, sudden diarrhea, and seizures, these are all possible signs of allergic reactions in most animals. Just watch for any sudden changes in behavior or redness on the skin. If there's an allergy it will probably show up after the second or third dose. However it is very rare for this to happen. Maybe someone who knows more can comment.
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I will start from tonight to do all these, I hope for the best. My main worry is that I can't quarantine all the chinchillas, not enough rooms, and the 3 females are together to one cage. I hope the medicine and the shampoo treatment and also the disinfection of cages 2-3 times a week to show good results.
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The pills are much better than the bath. I personally don't recommend bathing chinchillas. When I had to give the pills, I would crush it up and put the recommended dose in a raisin. I know some people don't like using raisins, but it works easy to get meds down. I would just slice down the raisin and put the ground up pill in it, and then put the raisin back together. I would think it would be best to treat them all. Just because some may not be showing signs yet, they may show signs of fungus later.
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Is fungus cause watery eyes? I am worrying cause most of my chinchillas have watery eyes also the last 2 days... They also seem lethargic, they eat and drink normal though.
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No fungus shouldn't cause watery eyes.
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Did you give them a bath with that shampoo? The shampoo can irritate their eyes really bad. It is known to cause burns on the eyes of dogs. Chins eyes are more sensitive. Use eye drops.
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No I haven't used the malaseb shampoo yet.
Other observations are: They eat pellets and hay normally, I would say that their appetite is increased the last month, because they almost eat all they hay I give every day, they used to leave some more a month ago. They also seem to drink more water too. Their droppings are quite normal, but not perfect. Maybe is the treatment (ITRADROPS). What I mean is that their dropping don't have the same size every day, one day are normal length, another are bigger and some of them are rough, and all this happens the last two weeks.
I suspect, that its something more than a fungus, but I don't really know what. I have searched the internet so much, but I can't find something that is completely similar to my case. For sure is an infection, I will tell the vet to do exams if he can (he doesn't know about chinchillas), to two at least chins, like blood, or feces cultivation.
About the oral treatment I am doing 6 days now (ITRADROPS). I stopped the sand with the powder for fungus. How many days you think it takes to show results?
Thanks!
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That is very strange. I wonder if the itradrops are causing them to drink more water which would cause softer poo.
Having a culture done on the eyes is a good idea. The fact they are all showing the same thing at the same time could mean a couple of possible things. It is possible that this is contagious and spread from animal to animal. It is possible that something in their cages is irritating them. It is possible something is wrong with their food since they all have that in common.
Are the cages being rinsed well after you disinfect them?
When the chins started getting their appetites back was it right after you used a new bag of food or hay?
I wish I could remark about how fast you'll see results. I do not know. I hope someone will comment on that.
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I use the same hay for six months and the same food for 2 years. So no really a change in that. The cages rinsed very well, and because of the weather, which is mainly cloudy this month, I put the woods in the oven for more than 30min. Every day I am more desperate as they look more ill. The good is that they eat and drink. The bad is that they are more lethargic every day...
Their droppings are not soft, they are hard and more rough than they should. However, I will not continue to through disinfection things on the cages from now on, I will only clean them with hot water to see how it will go.
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I recommend you continue disinfecting your cages. If you're rinsing them well it's okay. Some people don't have enough a lot of sense and might not think to rinse good. It sounds like you are doing everything right. By not disinfecting the cages regularly you cannot cure the fungus. Just make sure your chins are getting fresh food and hay that does not have mold or water in it.
The fact the poo is harder is another strange sign especially if they are drinking more. I think when you talk to to your vet you might want to ask about the possibilities of mycotoxicosis and giardia. Both of these can be tested and you may only need to bring in samples instead of having to bring in your animals. These are not chin-specific tests either.
I feel very bad for you. I hope you will see improvement soon. Your animals are stressed because of the treatment and change in routine and that may be part of the problem. I'm sure you are doing your best to keep them as comfortable as possible.
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Thank you GrayRodent for your help and support!
I will do that about mycotoxicosis and giardia.
Today I cleaned two cages with water only, but I left them at sun for more than 6 hours, next time I will disinfect them again. Sun is killing fungus as far as I know.
The hay is quite fresh, no mold or water in it, it was the first thing I checked before I open this thread.
Thanks again!
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How is their fur looking? As for eye infections, fungus can cause that too. I've seen it happen before for others, but it is not common. I wouldn't completely discount it as not being from fungus. The droppings being harder could just be what happens from taking the meds.
Sometimes certain antibiotics or treatments can cause diarrhea or the opposite effect (constipation), with chinchillas. It usually goes away after treatment is over. Have you ever given them acidophilus while treating them? Just a little with their food, may make a difference. It is possible their digestive tract is just a little irritated, whether from meds or from stress. Acidophilus can help soothe their digestive tract while using the meds. Just don't give it when you give the medication (give it like 4 hours after meds - so then it will not affect what the meds are doing.).
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Only one has fur missing above nose and a very tiny spot to his forehead. The missing fur doesn't spread one week now, and there is no redness or dry skin. The other one has one watery eye and the fur every day seems to be less from his eye to the nose. But not around his eye. This happens one week now to this chin.
Another one started 3 weeks ago (when the symptoms started, and the one with the fur missing from nose and above started to happen) to have a watery eye but more serious with white liquid that made his eye completely shut. I read and asked about this symptoms, the first conclusion was that it may be conjunctivitis and it is almost two weeks now that I use antibiotic drops to his eye and from the third day that I use this treatment he has no longer white liquid running from his eye.
However, this chin, the other one with the eye missing fur and two others, not the one with the missing fur above his nose, continue to have ONLY one watery eye, not both, no white liquid, only watery eye, one week now, and they seem not to be able to open it completely and something disturbs their eye because they close it and open it many times. Like we humans do when something goes in our eyes and try to clean it.
I hope to understand, because English is not my native language.
All these symptoms seem very strange to me. From what I have read and discuss they look like fungus but not sure that is really fungus... The vet that saw the one with the fur missing above nose, said it is fungus. But when I asked her about the fungus symptoms she told me that she can't find another explanation. Finally the four of the six chins have flakes, like dry skin, behind and low at their ears. I have posted photos for this.
As for acidophilus you are right and I was thinking about today morning. I will start to give them every night acidophilus as the treatment is only every morning.
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Using the names of these animals might help make this less confusing, but I think I can understand what you are saying.
It sounds like the antibiotic eye drops are working.
The fact the fur loss isn't spreading is a sign indicates you are using the right kind of antifungal medicine. It also means fungus is still the best explanation for the fur loss. It's possible the one still loosing fur was exposed later than the others. This is because it takes time for the immune system to prepare itself to fight the infection which is why it gets worse before it gets better.
I don't know what is causing the watery eyes. Chinchillas do catch bacterial eye infections (conjunctivitis) easily. The fact they are stressed because of the fungus could be making it harder for them to fight the bacterial infection. If they are rubbing their eyes against the cage or on objects this can slow healing.
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The fur should grow back in. You'll see the skin turn from a pink or red to a grey or black color, as the fur grows back in(which means the fungus is going away.). I'm pretty sure it is fungus. The photos you posted and what you describe, sounds like it and looks like it.
As for the eyes, I don't know. I know conjunctivitis can happen from/with fungus in chinchillas. If you're treating it and it is not working out, perhaps the vet can do a culture on the eye, to find the strain and figure out exactly what best would help with the eye problems?
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Well the skin is becoming grey to the chinchilla that misses fur above his nose! :) This chinchilla is taking oral treatment 9 days now.
The other two males that have one watery eye are taking the treatment 6 days, so I hope that at nine or ten days to show better results at their eyes if fungus provoke this as the other.
Thanks for the replies!
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I'm very glad to hear things are improving for you. Sounds like you are taking very good care of your pets and it shows.