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Chinchillas => General Chat => Topic started by: Chins To Love on August 16, 2006, 10:50:37 PM
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:flames: :flames: :flames: Okay, first sorry if I have posted this in the wrong place.............. if so, someone please move it where it needs to go.
Here I go...............please bear with me, and thank you for letting me vent.
Last year I had a woman wanting to get one of my chins, she seemed okay. She didn't want to pay what I normally charge for my kits, and I get that, some people don't want to pay for well bred kits, they just want a pet. I do get rescues occasionally, and when I do I place them in homes that want pets, and that are not wanting breeding or show quality stock. Seems like all is great right? So when I got a rescue in I called her and let her adopt the female rescue. I was very clear that this was a pet only, not to be bred. And she was fine with this. So today I get a call from her, and she informs me that she bought a male from the pet store, and now has two kits! WAIT IT GETS BETTER....................
She wants $150 for each kit and she would like to know if I could post their pics on my website and try to sell them for her. :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames: :flames:
I calmly told her that I could not help her, that my animals are backed by their pedigrees and I had told her not to breed the rescue. She has since called back, and asked me to at least give her phone # out to any one who might want one of her kits, because she really wants to get $150 for each of them.
Where do these people get their *****?????
Okay, I think I am better now. Thanks for listening everyone :-[
Julianne
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Wow! She has some nerve! Which part of "don't breed her!" didn't she understand? :doh: Unfortunately someone WILL pay $150 for chins w/o pedigrees. Hopefully they won't breed them!
Alison
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Wow! i would be so frustrated! :flames: That is not right at all. :noway: that gal has got steal nerves. ??? if that was my chinnie i would demand her back.
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:noway: I would demand her back, She has some nerve to even think about a doing and asking that!What part about don't breed her did she not get! :flames: :flames:
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::silly:: Hi Chins to Love,
I understand 100% how you are feeling ... I've had a similar situation happen, but I won't go into that.
She must not think much of the chinchillas (other than the $$$ signs). But to have the audacity to ask you to put them on your site for sale (that would put your name on them, or at the least, your approval). Oh boy, she does have what is only suppose to belong to men the gall. ::)
Not only trying to making money on a "give-me", but asking you to help slap yourself in the face? ??? :noway: That's the way I would take it.
To breed a chinchilla after knowing it should not be bred, there is no excuse. >:(
Breeding without a background could be a rookie mistake ... but only if she had not been told not to do so, breeding and knowing, was not a mistake.
You just have to watch out for people like that and hope you never run into another one. This incident will probably make you be very wary of placing rescues now ... and they need loving homes, too.
Good luck, calming down, hope the venting helped. :blush2:
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Jo Ann
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:'( I am sorry that this happened to you and those poor chins :::(((
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Wow, what a scary story! The scary thing is there are many people out there that don't understand that some chinchillas are breeders and other are just pets. If she was planning on keeping the babies, it would be one thing. If she wants to have chinchillas with increased risk of health problems, that's up to her. In human society, imperfect people breed imprerfect babies all the time ( :-[ )...but they plan to raise them themselves! But to think she has the right to sell them to some unsuspecting victirm....
It's almost like you should have a waiver or contract when you sell a chin that should not breed. It could say something like "in the event that I choose to breed this animal, the seller has full rights to take the animal back from me".
My chinchilla is from a pet store and he fur bites...I have to wonder if his mom was even supposed to be breeding!
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It always amazes me what people must be thinking, then I guess they are not.
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Oh man, I'm so sorry that really stinks.
My friend was telling me her mom had one chinchilla, a standard grey who's parents were elemetary school classroom pets. Then she got another from a pet store and two more from the penny saver (it's sort of like a newpaper ad) and decided she's going to breed them. My friend says one female is already pregnant...
It's things like that, that make me kind of crazy. Part of me is glad I don't know her personally, but another part of me just wishes I can ask her what the heck she's thinking.
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::silly::Many people buy the pets first and do the research later ... :flames:
Until it is commonly known that chinchillas do have pedigrees and guidelines in breeding them, stuff like this is going to continue. :::(((
Even when people do know, there will always be those who will think or say: "Who wants a pedigree chin, give me a mutt chin any day." And will think they are getting a bargin because they do not have to pay as much." ???
The general public doesn't even know what a chin is, let alone how to properly care for them (most of the pet stores don't either). :(
I just had an e-mail from a lady that purchased two male chins ... one did a 'sex change' on her and delivered two kits today. rofl
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Jo Ann
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::silly::...that is definitely crazy.....I think that people need to realize that Chins are considered exotic animals....they need to understand they are not just standard pets and are a lot more sensitive...it frustrates me to see any animal regardless go into a home that is not prepared to care for them. When I got my first chin I read constantly before bringing him home and spoke with the breeder about proper care...chins are like babies...they require a lot!!!!....and maybe if people like us who know others who have chins or want chins stand up and emphasize the fact that chins are indeed exotic animals...maybe people will realize that you need to think twice before taking any animal into your home especially an exotic one.....but the whole contract thing is a really good idea.... ;)
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Thanks everyone, I feel so much better after venting and getting all of your support. Well I have had two more phone calls asking if I have found anyone wanting to buy her kits. I explained once (well twice) again that I will not help her sell these kits. I offered to take them in as rescues, and try to re-home them if she couldn't keep them, but (not too suprising she doesn't want them re-homed she wants the $150 for them.
I don't want to be rude, but I honestly don't know what I am going to tell her if she calls again. How would you guys deal with her???? ::shrug::
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What She still keeps calling! :flames: On one hand you don't want to encourage her by selling the kits for her, But on the other hand you don't want the kits to go to a bad home. What do you do? :doh: I say you go with what your gut Say's, But that can't allways happen. What happens when you sell the kits for her and then she doe's this again? Then what? I wish I knew what to do.
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Yes she is still calling, I guess she thinks I will eventually give in. I would be more than happy to take them in as rescues, ( I always have a friend or two that love my chins and would love raising them). But she doesn't want to just give them away....she wants the money! :flames:
I guess I will have to look at this as "LESSON LEARNED", and only give rescues away to people I really know and trust that they are only wanting them as pets.
P.S. I'm going to try and get pics of your babies and send them to you tomorrow :::grins::
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Ya that is a tough one to learn. :::((( That is just wrong. I am glad I did not to have go though that with My puppies and goats. Stick to what you told her, hopefully she will get the hint and Keep telling her not breed her! :noway: I can't wait to see them!! I show every one the pics, that will look at them. I am driving My Husband nuts. :D
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::silly::Hi Chins to Love
I hope you do not sell them for her ... but you have to do what you feel is best for you ... but, keep in mind ... if you do it "just this one time" ... if you think her pestering you to do it is bad now, next time she knows she can wear you down and do it even worse.
If you sell them or help her sell them and something is wrong or goes wrong with the kit, eventhough it will not be right, the buyer will come back at you ... because you are an established breeder and they trusted you ... not her. By selling or helping to sell, you are inadvertently (in the eyes of the buyer) giving your approval and support to this new 'breeder'. ::phhhhhhth::
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Jo Ann
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I'm morbidly temped to give you my number as an interested buyer just so I can give this lady a peice of my mind for her idiocy and greed.
How dare she try to take advantage of you in this manner.
She refused to spend the money to buy good breeding stock, and when you accomodated her with a rescue as pet she disobeyed your direction to not breed her, this goes beyond ignorance.
Now she wants $150 for her kits? She looked the gift horse in the mouth on this one, trying to profit from your generosity.
Part of me thinks karma will get her in the end, but my heart sinks at the though of the kits that might suffer because of her in the meantime. I agree selling the kits for her will just encourage her.
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ok since we are on this topic I am wanting to have a couple of baby chinnies my self but I want to keep them for me I have been given 2 chins a standard that didn't get too much attention but now he is fine and the girl got im from a pet store and the pink white which was given to my by my son's teacher she has both parents and the grandpa there and there are no known health problems from any of his family would either of them be ok to breed? for me to keep not sell
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The Pink White might be OK to breed. You should ask your son's teacher what she thinks about breeding him if he didn't come with a pedigree. Also one of his parents or grandparents should be a standard to follow good breeding practices.
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::silly:: Hi FluffBall,
...I am wanting to have a couple of baby chinnies my self but I want to keep them for me I have been given 2 chins a standard that didn't get too much attention but now he is fine and the girl got im from a pet store and the pink white which was given to my by my son's teacher she has both parents and the grandpa there and there are no known health problems from any of his family would either of them be ok to breed? for me to keep not sell
Anytime you do not know the background on a chinchilla, you are taking a chance of producing kits that have a problem. Even if you plan to keep the kits yourself. That's not fair to the parents, or to the kits they would produce. :-\
There is no guarantee that any two chins would or would not produce a kit with genetic problems, but, not knowing the background raises the odds against them. Why push their and your luck to find out? ???
What if a problem does show-up? Then you have to separate two chins that have grown to care about each other and separate them forever. :'(
The standard gray, where did you get HIM do you know his background? I know the female came from the pet store, but did he also?
With the pink white chin, you know there are no known problems in the immediate background and I think it would be great to breed the pink white, but only to another chin that you know does not have a family history of medical problems. If you breed her with one you do not know about, their kits could have problems. :-[
Sorry to lay it out so bluntly, but I think you would want me to be honest for their sake as well as yours. ::nod::
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Jo Ann[/i]
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that is true they are both male and you are right I would have to seperate them and they love each other so much the standard I got from a girl who got him from a pet store not sure which one and if I did breed the pink white which color should I use standard cause I remember you saying anything w/ a standard is safe
as for that lady that was told not to breed go take the chin back I would she is just in it to make money and found out you can't
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>:( If that lady wanted to breed she should have invested the money and bought a breeding ones, that she knew were safe to breed. It is like those people who now mixing two different breeds together and calling the a pedigree, and they know nothing about either breed and are selling them for 1000 or so. :flames: Then they end up at the Pound.
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::silly::Hi FluffBall,
Health background is only part of deciding if you want to breed the pink white.
Do you have pictures of her you could send me and/or post? If you could get one from above (looking down on her back and head) that would help to know her bone structure ... a side profile view would help ... and a face view.
How much does she weigh? (in grams)
How old is she?
When you blow into her fur, can you see her skin?
After you blow into it, how long does it take to go back into place where you can not see where you blew into it? Lots of questions, hun? :-[
Hi Chins to Love, has she stopped pestering you yet?
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Jo Ann
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Haven't heard from her all day! ::banana:: ::dancingspot:: ::clapp:: ::thumbsup:: ::highfive:: ::highfive:: ::highfive::
NOT THAT I'M EXCITED OR ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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::silly:: Hopefully she got the hint!!
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he is about a year old I can't weigh him cause I don't have a scale yet the fur when I blow I can see a thin line of skin and goes right back if I stop blowing
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::silly::Hi FluffBall,
He is a hansom chin. If you breed him, please do so with a chin that you know the background on, to make sure he can have the best chance at helping to produce some beautiful kits.
Your pictures were pretty good ... my instructions were not expressed the way they should have been. In the overhead shot, looking down at his back and head, I should have told you to be sure he was on all fours on the floor. What I would have been looking for would have been his over-all shape from above. (With him stretched out, I could not tell.) If you can imagine looking down on a brick, that is the way he should look from above and from the side ... the hips and shoulders should be in line with each other and as close to the same width as possible.
It sounds like his fur is in good shape. ::nod::
The ears are to the sides instead of on top, which is good, his nose is a little narrow at the end, but the rest looks great! If it were me, I would find a good blocky standard female, with almost no nose, no neck and good thick fur and see what you come up with. I think you should get good results.
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Jo Ann
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thanks Jo Ann what color should I go with beige? would that be ok or be deadly? or just a standard?
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::silly::You could go either way Standard Gray or Beige.
If you prefer the dark eyes, I'd go standard gray. That would give you a 50-50 chance of standard and/or mosaic kits.
If you like the pink or red in the eyes, I'd go beige. That would give you a 25% chance of each of the following: standard, mosaic, pink white and/or beige.
No matter which way you go, you want to get the chin that is very blocky, little or no neck, rounded face (no nose), and has a good quality fur.
You always want to improve on what you have by getting as many good traits in each chin as you can get and where there is an undesirable trait ... you want to make sure the other chin does not have the same undesirable trait.
Rule of thumb: If you can not get kits equal to, or better than the parents, you find a better one to mate it to.
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Jo Ann
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thankx Jo Ann now I have to think of what I want a beige would be more fun cause you wouldnt know what colors you would get which one would you go with? I am not going to be doing this for a while but just thinking of it I can't wait ::silly::
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::silly::Hi FluffBall,
Keeping health and quality in mind ... either would be a match that would be acceptable/good ... with me, color would not enter into it (but I already have almost every color) which ever one I could find that would be the best one I could afford to buy that would probably produce the healthiest and strongest kits is what I would go for in the mate.
I've paid as low as $60 for a standard and as high as $350 for a standard gray breeding quality chin. As little as $100 for a beige and as high as $400 for a beige with good breeding quality. It all depends on where you look, the quality of the chinchilla, the demand for that particular color at that time, the background information on the chin and the knowledge of the seller. Sorry, no easy answer.
If you are wanting more of a variety in the colors, I would go with the beige, a very light colored beige that may have come from a homo beige and a standard, come from a white and a standard, or a hetero beige and a standard as one of the parents.
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Jo Ann
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Hi Julianne have you herd anything more from that lady?
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::silly::Chins to Love (Julianne).
Things still quiet on the home front? Maybe she finally took the hint!
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Jo Ann
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:) Hi Julianne what ever happend with this lady ? ::shrug::
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Yeah, what ever happend? ::think::